The 6spd challenge this year will basically only have the following rules

Factory Toyota manual trans (Manual trans Supras with a lesser gear count will also be allowed)
Must weigh 3650lbs with driver.

That's it!

In addition to posting the following information, you need to e-mail Mobilzone@aol.com to set up your pre-payment entry for this class. This race will be run during the qualifications for the other class you have entered in. Racing order will be based on best previous E.T.'s. It is Imperitive that you pre-register for the classes and make your pre-payment for the purse to ensure the event goes smoothly!

Name
Year of Supra
Best E.T. and MPH

Jason.

Official SILV site link http://vegas.supras.org/f/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=41
Please Visit!

Here is the list of who has put their name in so far.

Ryan Woon - Unconfirmed Scared to race on an even playing field 9.21
Saad Saad - Confirmed 9.22
Jack Wang - Confirmed 9.96
Nick Riley - Unconfirmed 10.12
Cody Phillips - Unconfirmed 10.6
Tim Robards - Confirmed 10.63
John Pratkanis - Unconfirmed 11.0
Jerrey Reyes - Unconfirmed 11.5
David Ngar - Confirmed

Ryan Woon
98 Quicksilver
Check will be mailed to Saad when an entry fee is posted!

I will be in for sure.... not quite as fast as the others, but trying to stay reliable :snork_tan

I will be in for sure.... not quite as fast as the others, but trying to stay reliable :snork_tan

Can you give your full name and best time please?

Please post your entry and best time of your car as that will be used to place you in the qualifying order for the 6 speed challenge. The entry fee is $100 and it can be sent to my home address at

Saad Saad
13454 East Del Timbre Drive
Scottsdale, Arizona 85259

Also, please email me at Mobilzone@aol.com and let me know that you are sending a check so that I know to look for it and save your spot. Thanks all.

Who are people to make the checks out to?

Is there no qualifying? Are you just doing a normal ladder of 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 based on our previous best times prior to this meet? And are we limiting this event to just 8 people?

Who are people to make the checks out to?

Is there no qualifying? Are you just doing a normal ladder of 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 based on our previous best times prior to this meet? And are we limiting this event to just 8 people?

Ryan, re-read the first post on this thread for the details.

I would guess that since you are sending money to Saad....make the checks payable to him.

Jerry Reyes
1997 White
11.5 @ 125

The 6spd challenge this year will basically only have the following rules

Factory Toyota manual trans (Manual trans Supras with a lesser gear count will also be allowed)
Must weigh 3650lbs with driver.

That's it!

In addition to posting the following information, you need to e-mail Mobilzone@aol.com to set up your pre-payment entry for this class. This race will be run during the qualifications for the other class you have entered in. Racing order will be based on best previous E.T.'s. It is Imperitive that you pre-register for the classes and make your pre-payment for the purse to ensure the event goes smoothly!

Name
Year of Supra
Best E.T. and MPH

Jason.


Your post doesn't say how many cars can enter nor if there will actually be any qualifying for this. It just states it will be run during qualifying of the other classes.

Your post doesn't say how many cars can enter nor if there will actually be any qualifying for this. It just states it will be run during qualifying of the other classes.

It pretty clearly states qualifying will be based on your best previous e.t. The rest you don't need to worry about. The people that get confirmed will get spots. Also there will be no messing around in Vegas, if you can't drive responsibly, you will be disqualified!

Jon Pratkanis - I will be sending my $100 to Saad.

I think its stupid to use previous times! Why not make a pass and qualify?? I ran 11.0 @ 135 on a 71mm.... now i have a gt47 series and no track time.. and we are going off my 71mm time a year.5 ago?? Come on

I think its stupid to use previous times! Why not make a pass and qualify?? I ran 11.0 @ 135 on a 71mm.... now i have a gt47 series and no track time.. and we are going off my 71mm time a year.5 ago?? Come on

John, unfortunately, there won't be enough time to do this any other way.

You can run friday night if you like...then use that time.

John, unfortunately, there won't be enough time to do this any other way.

You can run friday night if you like...then use that time.

What is friday night? I might have to do that.... What is the deadline for the $100?

John, unfortunately, there won't be enough time to do this any other way.

You can run friday night if you like...then use that time.

If there isnt going to be enough time. My .02 would be to limit the field have a qual. pass and do it the right way.

You must also remember that all the runs that are made during that 6 speed eliminations count as qualifying runs for the other classes. That way you will be getting more chances in other classes. We will try and get as many entrys for the 6 speed challenge as possible. If we get more then 8 entrys I will give payouts to more then just the top two. Remember guys its all about having a good time:)

Make the checks payable to me and I will bring cash with me two give as the payouts. Talk to your friends and lets see if we can get 16 cars in there, if we do, the top four will get paid. That should make for some fun racing:)

If there isnt going to be enough time. My .02 would be to limit the field have a qual. pass and do it the right way.


Lets remember that this is not like a normal Import event. We are all Supras and we all follow each others times and such. So it makes sense to use previous best. Also, one mistake from a top rated Supra and the ladder will get a lot easier:)

Sorry, here is my info....
Tim Robards
10.63@132

Nick Riley
97 White
10.12@139

What? No Dennis Walsh entry??? Oh wait...he is too busy looking up words in his new dictionary called "Big words for the really little guys". Or...could it have been the beating he took from Saad last year toying with him?

What? No Dennis Walsh entry??? Oh wait...he is too busy looking up words in his new dictionary called "Big words for the really little guys". Or...could it have been the beating he took from Saad last year toying with him?


I bet Dennis owns this book.... although it does say for ages 4-7 so he may not understand it!


http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Big%20Words%20for%20Little%20People:3002953789:i sbn=0872398722:page=compare?used=1

I bet Dennis owns this book.... although it does say for ages 4-7 so he may not understand it!


http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Big%20Words%20for%20Little%20People:3002953789:i sbn=0872398722:page=compare?used=1

LOL!!!!

EightSecondSUpra...are you signing up for the Vegas Race???

LOL!!!!

EightSecondSUpra...are you signing up for the Vegas Race???


You will see me in Vegas........

First time I heard of this pre-reg of $100 since is not posted on any of the other forums, is it too late? or can we pay the day of?

Please post your entry and best time of your car as that will be used to place you in the qualifying order for the 6 speed challenge. The entry fee is $100 and it can be sent to my home address at

Saad Saad
13454 East Del Timbre Drive
Scottsdale, Arizona 85259

Also, please email me at Mobilzone@aol.com and let me know that you are sending a check so that I know to look for it and save your spot. Thanks all.

Jack just send me a check and your guaranteed a spot. Remember, the 6 speed challenge will be the first races we get out of the way.

K Saad, check be in the mail Monday. See you all in Vegas soon.

Jack Wang
94 Supra 6-Speed
9.96 @ 141 MPH

K Saad, check be in the mail Monday. See you all in Vegas soon.

Jack Wang
94 Supra 6-Speed
9.96 @ 141 MPH

So your gonna run that turd after all huh? :middlefin .....where's my wheels since i heard you got a pretty new shiny set?? I want the slicks that were attached as payment for loaning you a perfectly good set of wheels that you **** up :evil:

Just messing around with ya.....i'll call you later today.

So your gonna run that turd after all huh? :middlefin .....where's my wheels since i heard you got a pretty new shiny set?? I want the slicks that were attached as payment for loaning you a perfectly good set of wheels that you **** up :evil:

Just messing around with ya.....i'll call you later today.

Ya whatever, better odds on Bush calling me then you. Wheels down at tony's shop. Got the car running yesturday, just got some bugs to work out now.

Here is the list of who has put their name in so far. Unconfirmed means no payment!

Ryan Woon - Unconfirmed 9.21
Saad Saad - Confirmed 9.22
Jack Wang - Unconfirmed 9.96
Nick Riley - Unconfirmed 10.12
Cody Phillips - Unconfirmed 10.6
Tim Robards - Unconfirmed 10.63
John Pratkanis - Unconfirmed 11.0
Jerrey Reyes - Unconfirmed 11.5

Jason, please make a note that Mr. Jack Wang is confirmed. So far all the Tucson boys have been all talk, this would include Cody and Lyan and Jerry and Dennis and...

Jason, please make a note that Mr. Jack Wang is confirmed. So far all the Tucson boys have been all talk, this would include Cody and Lyan and Jerry and Dennis and...

Done! It would appear you and Jack will be racing eachother quite a bit in the 6spd challenge since you are the only two confirmed! Best out of 3????:) The rest of you guys better get your money in!

Hmmm... that be no fun, what happen to the rest of them?

Also, quick question, someone told me 3650 with driver, I have never weigh my car, but it has everything in it, a/c p/s ABS, full interior, etc, but no cage, Im not sure if Ill make the weight, thought last year was 3450?

Sounds like fun.. Not sure, but can I enter my MK3 with stock 5 speed?? :confused: Hey its an extra $100 for the pot right?

Matt Sheppard
1990 1JZ Supra 5 Speed
11.57 @ 127.00

If I get a yes I will mail my entry to Saad

Factory Toyota manual trans (Manual trans Supras with a lesser gear count will also be allowed)
Must weigh 3650lbs with driver.

Go get em tiger ;)

Sounds like fun.. Not sure, but can I enter my MK3 with stock 5 speed?? :confused: Hey its an extra $100 for the pot right?

Matt Sheppard
1990 1JZ Supra 5 Speed
11.57 @ 127.00

If I get a yes I will mail my entry to Saad

Yes, the rules clearly state you are eligable......get with Saad and make it happen!

Jason, please list Mr. Tim Robards as confirmed. Still no entries from all of the Tucson girls. I guess they just like to talk a good game:)

Saad, due to time constraints this year, the people who have "confirmed" with you will be the only ones to run in the 6spd challenge. There won't be time to try to track people down and set it up. So whoever you have money from before Tuesday will get on the list!

So only 3 of us for the 6-speed challenge? after we get this event out the way, can we still enter other catagories?

You can enter another class right now...hopefully some of the other people will come through in time.

Jason, how I enter another class? I didn't know I need to sign up for others.

Now before I send my money, are you guys going to stick to the weight rule? My car with my heavy stereo system and my fat ass (230lbs) only weighs 3640 and I was planning to take the box out to race, more a safety issue then weight.

Jerry

Now before I send my money, are you guys going to stick to the weight rule? My car with my heavy stereo system and my fat ass (230lbs) only weighs 3640 and I was planning to take the box out to race, more a safety issue then weight.

Jerry

Just throw Lyan in the car with you to make up that last 10lbs:)

Why is the weight requirement so high? A stock MKIV 6sp weights only 3474 (mkiv.com). I could only find one reliable source for the average weight of a human and it was the FAA and they use 174 lbs per person. (ps: that is why the tour boat flipped killing 20 something old people up in NY this week, they used the old weight of 160lbs).So with my higher education math skills, that still only comes to 3648.Did you guys just take the weight of the reigning 6 speed champion for the past few years and make and add 100lbs to give you other guys who are slower a chance?

Jason, how I enter another class? I didn't know I need to sign up for others.


Just go to the class you want to run in the Drag section on this forum and reply to add you!

Why is the weight requirement so high? A stock MKIV 6sp weights only 3474 (mkiv.com). I could only find one reliable source for the average weight of a human and it was the FAA and they use 174 lbs per person. (ps: that is why the tour boat flipped killing 20 something old people up in NY this week, they used the old weight of 160lbs).So with my higher education math skills, that still only comes to 3648.Did you guys just take the weight of the reigning 6 speed champion for the past few years and make and add 100lbs to give you other guys who are slower a chance?

You have yet to add any safety equipment to that equation! I'll tell you what, if it's up to Saad, but if he wants, we can take Dave Jusko's car and weigh it in Vegas, with him in it, and use that weight as the base! I personally know his car to be 100% stock 93.5 Supra.

THis is a quote from Woon On The Moon.

"Previous TX and Vegas Supra meet 6spd Challenges were 3500 I believe or 3550. This year now that Sad and Bench Racer Siebels are running it they made the weight 3650lbs KNOWING my car weighs 3550 at the scales. How fitting isn't it? Al Rhee, myself, Jerry Reyes, Cody Phillips, none of our cars 3650 at the scales.

The weight should be what it always has been at a min of at least 3500. This is truely sad that just because these two don't want me to enter they had to make the weight 100lbs over what they already know my car weighs.

We have 4 other entries that want to race but don't meet these lame rules. This is a national event where they are attemping to get people NOT to race by making a weight limit based off their over weight Supras.

Anyone else want to chime in?"

Yeah, your previous weights were 3400.....not 3550 (Lyan Ryan Strikes again)....can we believe anything he says?????

To this I say.....Just because all of your cars have removed parts to lighten them up....doesn't mean we should make rules around your cars. If your such a bad ass driver (yeah right) just make your car meet the weights, Saad isn't taking out 200lbs to get down to weight minimum..what are you scared of, I mean Saad is the only one close in e.t., and he can't drive.......REMEMBER????? Lyan's head is sooo big it should put him over by at least 3000lbs! Which is why he thinks this is all about him. Face it....he is just afraid to race at a weight anywhere near what Saad has been racing at and running just as well. Lyan just doesn't want everyone to see why he has had better luck than Saad with breaking parts and going quicker with less power.....doesn't have ANYTHING to do all that extra weight......nah.....

O.K....O.K......here we go....this is the deal. The car must WEIGH what the factory brochure says it weighs........WITHOUT driver..... So EVERYONE WILL weigh with no driver in the car. So the new weight is 3485lbs....Thank you for proving my point on SF. So with the average driver...it would be 3660...not 3650... Big Head Lyan...it's all about you!!!

http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/93_brochure/1993promo.jpg

Seems to me Lyan is just using this as an excuse to not run in the class!

check link, no worky

Try it again.

Looks like Saads weight number was a bit conservative after all! It's not like he did his homework.....CLearly he was JUST trying to keep Woon On The Moon out of the competition....shame on you Saad......I don't know how you can live with yourself! :eusa_ange

Im gonna throw in my 2 cents on this subject since Im neutral. After looking into the past couple of days, I don't think my car will make the weight requirement because no saftey equipment, if it does, it will be very close on full tank of gas, I may be just a notch under, onlything I have taken out is the spare tires. I would have a better chance if just 2 of us racing this catagory, but in all fairness, if a few people put on a carbon hood, remove the rear seats because the cage, sparco seats (-50 pounds), and if the car is hard top? these mods should be 100% legal shouldn't it? I see the point 6-speed purpose is for 100% street car, but I didn't know it says 100% OEM trim. Only reason I brought this up, is because I see you guys arguing this past week on certain items. Ya if a car pulls up no interior, completely gutted out, I wouldn't want to race him period regardless what the weight is, but we should take those slight mod's into consideration which does not compromise the streetability of the vehicle. Weather I win or loose, I just wanna have fun, this meet is going to be huge. It ain't no fun winning a race with party of 2 (Ya, i won the 05 6-speed challange....... just 2 entries lol) don't know about Saad, something in that sentence just don't feel right lol.

Looks like Saads weight number was a bit conservative after all! It's not like he did his homework.....CLearly he was JUST trying to keep Woon On The Moon out of the competition....shame on you Saad......I don't know how you can live with yourself! :eusa_ange

Well your guys weight requirement would hold true if we were all racing BPU or stock cars. But we all know as we take factory parts out, we also lose some weight. Most of us dont have proper safety equipment to bring that weight back up but should that be held aganist us? Shit just because Saad has a tank of a car doesn't mean we all should add weight. If you guys are just not wanting Ryan to run aganist you then just come out and say it. You guys are worried about 100lbs but have more then enough power to overcome that. Sometimes I just wish it was old school time when we all just went to race, have fun, and encourgaged each other to run the best time we could. Ah those were the days, just shit talking to the TX guys. :)

Jerry

Well your guys weight requirement would hold true if we were all racing BPU or stock cars. But we all know as we take factory parts out, we also lose some weight. Most of us dont have proper safety equipment to bring that weight back up but should that be held aganist us? Shit just because Saad has a tank of a car doesn't mean we all should add weight. If you guys are just not wanting Ryan to run aganist you then just come out and say it. You guys are worried about 100lbs but have more then enough power to overcome that. Sometimes I just wish it was old school time when we all just went to race, have fun, and encourgaged each other to run the best time we could. Ah those were the days, just shit talking to the TX guys. :)

Jerry

Saad weighs 3800lbs, that is NOT where the weight is set. The rules are based on a stock car that would likely have a single turbo upgrade (which would be heavier than stock), a larger intercooler (which would be heavier than stock) added fuel system (which would be heavier than stock) in some cases Nitrous (which would add weight). Even without safety equipment, it should be a no brainer. If you weight 230lbs, certainly unless you have LIGHTENED your car....you would easily make weight. It really makes me laugh that everyone thinks this is about Ryan...these rules have been in place since June of this year. No one said a word...... If Woons head still thinks he is such a great driver he would have no problem. Don't give me this crap about it being "unsafe" for him to add weight either.

I would also like to remind EVERYONE that ALL classes will have their weight on their WINDSHIELDS and SIDE windows throughout the runs, and ALL cars will weigh after EVERY run. It's always fun to know what the cars racing actulally weigh!

Single turbo upgrade actually weighs less then stock twins: stock twin assy. weighs 105lbs and a single turbo kit lets say mine (t78) weighs 70lbs = 35lbs difference. Not to mention I removed all emissions equipment to clean up engine bay. Stock exhaust weighs 34lbs and HKS Ti weighs 26lbs. Stock cats and aftermarket dp/mp have a 8lb difference. So for a car like mine with no purpose weight reduction, I would be less then required weight or your so called stock weight. Not to mention if a hardtop wanted to race then his weight wouldn't even be close.
Also you guys are taking this Ryan thing the wrong way, most of us are not crying because we want to swing on Ryans nuts. It's mostly because we want to see the best racing there is and a Saad/Ryan race would be one of them. Why would you guys not want to race your #1 competitor, if you know for a fact he would not make that weight why not bend the rules. If you guys won, then it would be done if front of everyone and with more weight.
Not trying to start a fight, just want to have fun and watch some great races. I have always had much respect for you guys, you all have paved the way for us Supra guys.

Jerry

I tell you what, I might be slightly biased because my brother is running the 6 spd challenge, but I saw the entire point of this was to see who could drive the best.

Soooo, I say that in the name of pure sport. If Ryan is not allowed into the 6 spd challenge because of weight I would be willing to pay to see a run between the winner of the challenge vs. Ryan.

How bout $200 (my personal money), and I get to make the rules.

Brian

Jerry, I'll give you this much, when you want to talk nice you do it well. But the truth of the matter is that when it comes to swinging from Lyans nuts, you have the most pubic hair stuck under your nails:)

You stated that your car weighs 3640 with you in it and I know that your car has no safety equipment in it. So where do we have a problem? Any car that can run low 10's or hi 9's should have at least a roll bar and that would make up for all of the little things that one would take off of the car during a build up.

We both know that Lyan told you to come on here and spout this crap, that is his way, and like a good nut swinger you are doing as you are told:) But the bottom line is if you want to enter get your money in because your car easily meets the requirements, if not, STFU and get in the stands with the rest of the spectators:)

Brian, if you really want to see who the best 6 speed driver is and who has the best set up then you have to have the cars weigh at least somewhere close to each other. The fact of the matter is that Lyan is just crying because he would have to add 250lbs to his car to meet the minimum weight. You must understand that his car is gutted, he did all this after the car was burned to the ground.

Ballasting cars is a normal part of drag racing in a street class. Believe me I will fill this field. The people, like your brother, that have sent me money have a guaranteed spot. The late comers will take the lower spot on the brackets and it will be left up to me who I add.

So all that these baby's are doing is putting this more in my hands. You send your money in you are guaranteed a spot, end of story.

We will not have time for any more match races. We will run the 6 speed challenge and then go right into the other classes.

Jerry, I'll give you this much, when you want to talk nice you do it well. But the truth of the matter is that when it comes to swinging from Lyans nuts, you have the most pubic hair stuck under your nails:)

You stated that your car weighs 3640 with you in it and I know that your car has no safety equipment in it. So where do we have a problem? Any car that can run low 10's or hi 9's should have at least a roll bar and that would make up for all of the little things that one would take off of the car during a build up.

We both know that Lyan told you to come on here and spout this crap, that is his way, and like a good nut swinger you are doing as you are told:) But the bottom line is if you want to enter get your money in because your car easily meets the requirements, if not, STFU and get in the stands with the rest of the spectators:)

Ya call it what you want, Saad you can do better then that. I know you have it in you. I really dont want to start name calling. I have never had a problem with you and would like to keep it that way.
I guess you didn't read your buddy Jason post of the "new weight requirement" of 3485. My car weighs 3640 with me and my stereo system, take me out of the car (ie 230lbs) and you have a car that weighs 3410. That is 75lbs less then required weight, maybe more if I take out my sub box for safety issues. If you have no problems with that, then I will send my check today. I didn't come here on Ryans behalf or to try to beat anyone in this challenge but wanted to have some more runs.

Jerry

Ya call it what you want, I really dont want to start name calling. I have never had a problem with you and would like to keep it that way.
I guess you didn't read your buddy Jason post of the "new weight requirement" of 3485. My car weighs 3640 with me and my stereo system, take me out of the car (ie 230lbs) and you have a car that weighs 3410. That is 75lbs less then required weight, maybe more if I take out my sub box for safety issues. If you have no problems with that, then I will send my check today. I didn't come here on Ryans behalf or to try to beat anyone in this challenge but wanted to have some more runs.

Jerry

The 3485 with the average driver of 175 and you are above the original 3650. I put this in just incase you happen to be a 120lb weakling (like Ryan) you can still race, based off the weight of your actual car!:):)

Ya call it what you want, Saad you can do better then that. I know you have it in you. I really dont want to start name calling. I have never had a problem with you and would like to keep it that way.
I guess you didn't read your buddy Jason post of the "new weight requirement" of 3485. My car weighs 3640 with me and my stereo system, take me out of the car (ie 230lbs) and you have a car that weighs 3410. That is 75lbs less then required weight, maybe more if I take out my sub box for safety issues. If you have no problems with that, then I will send my check today. I didn't come here on Ryans behalf or to try to beat anyone in this challenge but wanted to have some more runs.

Jerry

If your car weighs 3640 with you in it and you send me a check, your in. its as easy as that. if you do, you will be the only one from Tucson to ball up and enter. It would seem the rest of those guys are all talk. Tell Cody to hurry up and replace that WOTM/Titan motor he blew:)

This posted by Marko

"If I was in the 6 speed challenge I would boycott it. I've never heard of such a weight minimum in my life. It's a very effective way to extinguish an already low attending class.
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Fastest Street Supra in the World 8.45@162
8.79@169 on BFG drag radials
1520 RWHP @ 59 psi!!!
STC Racing 1-847-640-7305
Strongest built Toyota automatic transmission in the world. "

I love this post! Coming from Marko, this post it truly poetic!:) Thanks Marko!:):)

This posted by Moon

"I agree 100% with Ken on the event. Keith needs to overrule this stupidity. And I will also not attempt to safely add 100lbs to my car. Either will any of the other 5 participants awaiting a change.

And I will absolutely run the winner of the Challenge if we can set that up, especially if there is money involved to the winner In all honestly, why race someone like Sad anyway? I've already beat him down every time we've lined up over the past few years and I've proven my car to be a competitor where he just breaks parts every pass. The bragging rights are already in my court. So I don't need those from another race with him. The owners of Titan Motorsports are also sending me $1000 to race Sad Sad. But I don't know that they accepted the the challenge. Nero and Bottle said if you don't make it to the line at all, you still lose the race and the $1000. Last I heard, they would not agree to that.

There are a lot of very well setup cars that can enter this challenge and a few I am CERTAIN have a very good chance of beating me. One of them has my logos on it I hope we can all get in because I think we could have a new 6spd champ this year! You never know what might happen"

Bottle accepted Saads Terms and I confirmed it with them in E-town. Now go get your 20gallon hat to try to squeeze your head into, and get the weight in your car (which you shouldn't have to add anyway). If you don't make weight (either 3485 without driver or 3650 with driver) you aren't going to be in.....

^^ Very interesting thread.

Cody blew his motor? Damn shame but I guess thats what you get for going thru WOTM. I've been ****ed over by them as well.. Chop shop to say the least.

Now back to this thread. Saad, how do you know Ryan lightened his car further after the fire?

Side note... I wouldn't want Ryan Woon running next to me down the track. It's clear to anyone with a brain that this guy doesn't care about the safety of others when going down the track.

^^ Very interesting thread.

Cody blew his motor? Damn shame but I guess thats what you get for going thru WOTM. I've been ****ed over by them as well.. Chop shop to say the least.

Now back to this thread. Saad, how do you know Ryan lightened his car further after the fire?

Side note... I wouldn't want Ryan Woon running next to me down the track. It's clear to anyone with a brain that this guy doesn't care about the safety of others when going down the track.

:swing:

PS - Cody's motor wasn't from WOTM or Titan

I will say it here too. I think a 3650lb weight minimum is ridiculous. Just basing it on my car, I can't get it to 3650 with a full tank and drag wheels. I can barely do it with stock wheels and an overflowing gas tank. Just look at all the resistance you're getting already. Any Supra with NA brakes, or lightweight brakes, and lightweight drag wheels will NEVER hit that weight minimum. Then if you're smart enough to run less than half a tank of gas, you're another 65 lbs lighter. I, as well as 98% of the community see this rule as "catered to" a certain individual who happens to be the "minority" at their weight. Last I checked the rules are generally implemented according to the majority.

I will say it here too. I think a 3650lb weight minimum is ridiculous. Just basing it on my car, I can't get it to 3650 with a full tank and drag wheels. I can barely do it with stock wheels and an overflowing gas tank. Just look at all the resistance you're getting already. Any Supra with NA brakes, or lightweight brakes, and lightweight drag wheels will NEVER hit that weight minimum. Then if you're smart enough to run less than half a tank of gas, you're another 65 lbs lighter. I, as well as 98% of the community see this rule as "catered to" a certain individual who happens to be the "minority" at their weight. Last I checked the rules are generally implemented according to the majority.

We'll see! The rules are implemented to give an even playing field...most Supras aren't race cars, and have most all the original equipment in them. THis rule gives the opporotunity for a more competitive class for people that have street cars that race once or twice a year......like at a Supra meet!

I will say it here too. I think a 3650lb weight minimum is ridiculous. Just basing it on my car, I can't get it to 3650 with a full tank and drag wheels. I can barely do it with stock wheels and an overflowing gas tank. Just look at all the resistance you're getting already. Any Supra with NA brakes, or lightweight brakes, and lightweight drag wheels will NEVER hit that weight minimum. Then if you're smart enough to run less than half a tank of gas, you're another 65 lbs lighter. I, as well as 98% of the community see this rule as "catered to" a certain individual who happens to be the "minority" at their weight. Last I checked the rules are generally implemented according to the majority.

I guess I had it wrong, I thought Marko was on top. But it seems that Lyan is the man for you:) You drive an auto, don't worry so much about a challenge class that will be run in the 45 minutes of qualifying for all the real classes. In short, pull your head out of Lyans ass:) Or his dick out of yours, whatevers easier:)

I guess I had it wrong, I thought Marko was on top. But it seems that Lyan is the man for you:) You drive an auto, don't worry so much about a challenge class that will be run in the 45 minutes of qualifying for all the real classes. In short, pull your head out of Lyans ass:) Or his dick out of yours, whatevers easier:)

It would be nearly impossible for either of my body parts to have been anywhere near Ryan as he is roughly 1800 miles away from me. But I did "score" the other night at Scores (gentelmans club), and her name was not Ryan Woon. Now, the fact is that you're the only car that will meet that weight minimum. You guys can theorize about what a Supra should weigh all you want. Look up any stat you want and weigh your car all you want. The bottom line fact is that barely any Supra with drag wheels and a low tank of gas will ever weigh 3650. Those are the facts my friend, take weight out of your car for a level playing field. Imagine that, your car going faster and not breaking parts??? Why in the world would you want that right? Your disadvantage is your choice. It wasn't for 99% of the other Supra owners. I just call like it is, don't hate the messenger!!! ;)




P.S. 99% of the Supra community have a very strong opinion of who's head is up who's ass. I'll give you a clue, it ain't me. :snork_lac

Imagine that, your car going faster and not breaking parts???

It is clearly apparent that this is not one of his goals in life.

P.S. 99% of the Supra community have a very strong opinion of who's head is up who's ass. I'll give you a clue, it ain't me. :snork_lac


I know the answer.

And you are wrong, it is 99.76874 %

It would be nearly impossible for either of my body parts to have been anywhere near Ryan as he is roughly 1800 miles away from me. But I did "score" the other night at Scores (gentelmans club), and her name was not Ryan Woon. Now, the fact is that you're the only car that will meet that weight minimum. You guys can theorize about what a Supra should weigh all you want. Look up any stat you want and weigh your car all you want. The bottom line fact is that barely any Supra with drag wheels and a low tank of gas will ever weigh 3650. Those are the facts my friend, take weight out of your car for a level playing field. Imagine that, your car going faster and not breaking parts??? Why in the world would you want that right? Your disadvantage is your choice. It wasn't for 99% of the other Supra owners. I just call like it is, don't hate the messenger!!! ;)




P.S. 99% of the Supra community have a very strong opinion of who's head is up who's ass. I'll give you a clue, it ain't me. :snork_lac

Marko.....your sooo blind. EVERY car in the list above is fine with the weight.....except.......MOON! Did you stop to wonder why that might be? Let me know when you get a 6spd.....and enter.....then your input will be considered. RIGHT NOW NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER ENTRENT HAS STATED IT BEING A PROBLME.....get this through your head!

I would also like to point out that in sport RWD trim (I.E. slicks 6spd, full exhaust..etc..), these cars must weigh......drum roll please.......3650....and Moon brought with him some magically safe weight ballast that somehow has expired and can't be used safely anylonger! Too bad the fact that he had slicks and not D.O.T. tires...and no wipers kept him out of the class, and allow Karl Martin to kick his @#$ in Quick 16...in an RX7 never the less!

Marko.....your sooo blind. EVERY car in the list above is fine with the weight.....except.......MOON! Did you stop to wonder why that might be? Let me know when you get a 6spd.....and enter.....then your input will be considered. RIGHT NOW NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER ENTRENT HAS STATED IT BEING A PROBLME.....get this through your head!

How many entrants are there? Have they ever weighed their cars?? ;)

This is the email I received from Jason regarding the relaxing of the weight restrictions.

"what I will do is weigh every car before the field is selected. If
the cars entered are all under the weight of 3650(except Saads ofcourse)
then I will lower the limit to what is reasonable for most of the cars,
anyone under the limit will have to add weight."

New rule guys, everyone run on pump gas! :aiwebs_03

Seriously that weight limit is pretty lame. Hopefully it gets changed at the line in Vegas...

How many entrants are there? Have they ever weighed their cars?? ;)

We have a full field, and everyone in the field has stated to me that they don't think any of their cars will have a problem......Just moons.

everyone in the field has stated to me that they don't think any......Just moons.

They "think" or have they weighed their cars in race trim before? I believe that they are going by what you have told them "If you haven't done weight reduction, you'll meet the weight". Which is a statement I disagree with.

They "think" or have they weighed their cars in race trim before? I believe that they are going by what you have told them "If you haven't done weight reduction, you'll meet the weight". Which is a statement I disagree with.

Wrong, they pretty much all figured with what their cars weighed previously, they would be o.k.

This has already been voiced on SF, I'm happy with no weight restriction.

My opinion is obvious.

Jerry Reyes is at work and says no weight restriction as well.

I am willing to bet Al Rhee, Nick Riley, Jack and Tim say no weight restriction as well....

no weight rule is ok with me Nick Riley

We have a full field, and everyone in the field has stated to me that they don't think any of their cars will have a problem......Just moons.

Jason, you got to look past the fact that your are trying to make the 6spd challenge a "Lets get Saad to win, without letting him race ryan." And its pretty pathetic, ecspecially coming from a person who has been there done that with most everyone in the racing world. You should know what it takes to win, and if you dont have it dont come. If you cant win fair and square against Ryan... then loose and bow out.

This is just ****in stupid to try to win races by eliminating the other person. I would bet my bottom dollar that Saad is cutting weight right now, so who knows what he is going to weigh in Vegas?

Jason cut the shit, the people have spoken and we want Woon vs Saad. And we also want Woon to run the show. Just back off and relax.

I VOTE NO WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS!

- Jon Pratkanis

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

John, I realize you are a young and impressionable person.....but propaganda is propaganda, this was never about Saad nor Ryan, in fact it was about you (guys like you) guys that want to enter the class and be competitive without spending a ton of money. Saad never cared about the weight, just Ryan.... Sorry, I am not one for just making rules so someone can come and cry the blues (let alone someone who claims to be the best driver in the world), and make enough noise to get the rules changed. In fact this made me want to keep them even more. There is obviously a reason he was willing to add weight at an NHRA event, and not at this event....wonder what that might be??? John, you always seemed like an intelligent person to me(from what little I know of you) don't believe the b.s. If you don't like the weight, don't like it for you....not Ryan. You had the opprotunity to PM me and voice your opinion like everyone else, yet NO ONE did.....so if you want to blame anyone, blame yourself and the others that entered for not following one...simple....little...request!

Jason, you got to look past the fact that your are trying to make the 6spd challenge a "Lets get Saad to win, without letting him race ryan." And its pretty pathetic, ecspecially coming from a person who has been there done that with most everyone in the racing world. You should know what it takes to win, and if you dont have it dont come. If you cant win fair and square against Ryan... then loose and bow out.

This is just ****in stupid to try to win races by eliminating the other person. I would bet my bottom dollar that Saad is cutting weight right now, so who knows what he is going to weigh in Vegas?

Jason cut the shit, the people have spoken and we want Woon vs Saad. And we also want Woon to run the show. Just back off and relax.

I VOTE NO WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS!

- Jon Pratkanis

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

Jon, I realize you are a young and impressionable person, but propaganda is propaganda. This class was never intended to be an unlimited class, and it was never about Saad and Ryan, it was about...well...you...the "regular" guy, a drivers race. Ryan simply found a reason to cause trouble (nevermind the fact he had already agreed to the rules as did everyone else). The self pro-claimed best driver in the world refused to add ballast that he already had in place. The fact that he cried about it just made me want to stand my ground more. Why make rules if one guy can cry like a little girl, and force a change? Jon, you always seemed like an intelligent person to me(from what little I know of you) don't believe the b.s. If you don't like the weight rule, don't like it for you, not ryan. You had the opprotunity to pm me your opinion like everyone else, and yet you didn't (nor did anyone else). If you want to blame someone, blame yourself, and the rest of the entrants for not following those simple little instructions that could have prevented this whole thing.