: Weight reduction (pics)
AGlobalThreat 09-18-2005, 11:04 PM Still to do:
Clean cieling where headliner was
Clean all metal that will be showing and make it look like new
Finish wiring in stereo
Future plans:
Reinstall dash, door panels, center console, center armrest, driver side underdash, and glovebox
Cut out carpet inserts to cover floor, rear seats, and small area in hatch.
Fill in climate control section
And now onto the pics
http://deprived.krypt.com/68.JPG
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http://deprived.krypt.com/71.JPG
Yes that's a rear seatbelt, people actually want to sit back there and go for a ride. :drugged:
The final interior will be based on the design in a lotus elise, lightweight yet still good looking. There will be LOTS of bare metal still in eye view so I will need to do tons of cleaning to get the metal to look like it belongs there. It will all come together in time, just like every other project.
Still haven't weighed the car, I was low on gas and it was too dark so I didn't feel like driving by the dump.
TheHeffNerr 09-18-2005, 11:06 PM holy shit, thats ****in gutted
SupraOfDoom 09-19-2005, 04:40 AM Looks like mine pretty much. Your plans are pretty much the same as mine.
suprra_girl 09-19-2005, 04:42 AM woah.... now i thought mine was gutted at the mo... seems you've completely and utterly stripped urs hehe
when u've finished get that supra on a weigh station ;)
on a side note... what have ppl managed to get their supra down to without losing alot of features or driveability or stockish looks?
AGlobalThreat 09-20-2005, 12:09 AM What would you guys recommend to clean the metal with? Paint stripper only seems to smear it. I want to get all the little pieces left and residue completely gone so the metal looks brand new
Turbo-Joe 09-20-2005, 02:16 AM i think id rather keep my car somewhat classy looking.
group a supra 09-20-2005, 01:22 PM just use thinners and a heat gun worked on mine
;)
SPDu4ea 09-20-2005, 07:48 PM That is one gutted car. That interior looked good from your signature too, kind of a shame. I bet it hauls ass now though
AGlobalThreat 09-20-2005, 08:55 PM The interior being gutted is only temporary. The interior will be like what it was before, minus a few things that are out of view, and ALL of the behind dash components are gone (But you don't see those anyways either).
Today I put the door panels back on, reinstalled the center console, and removed the carpet. The driver's seat rack must have shifted when I pulled it up cuz I can only get 2/4 bolts in now... so I guess that's what I'm fixin tomorrow.
I guess nobody read the top part of the 1st post ;)
NashMan 09-20-2005, 10:11 PM wow mine is kinda gutted the same way ish
Dustin 09-21-2005, 01:41 PM FYI: 89 Turbo, leather, climate control & hardtop is 3420lbs~ with the following removed:
Rear seats, seat belts, assemblies, spare, jack, tools and rest of the back end stuff removed (except the thin carpet).
AGlobalThreat 09-21-2005, 02:42 PM FYI: 89 Turbo, leather, climate control & hardtop is 3420lbs~ with the following removed:
Rear seats, seat belts, assemblies, spare, jack, tools and rest of the back end stuff removed (except the thin carpet).
Damn that's pretty heavy for all that weight reduction.
glntom 09-21-2005, 04:59 PM My 87 turbo hardtop scaled 3529 with EVERYTHING in it(1/2 tank fuel)
ma71supraturbo 09-21-2005, 05:30 PM My 87 turbo hardtop was 3620 with a full tank and automatic. Once converted to 5spd and gutted almost as completely as Aglobalthreat, it's right at 3000lbs (has 1 racing seat and a fiberglass hood, but also a dash)
Dustin 09-21-2005, 06:45 PM Oh I should add that I had a full tank of gas (70 litres) which is around 115lbs of weight
AGlobalThreat 09-22-2005, 06:46 PM Just an update, today I removed the black mat and the sound deadener underneath. That black mat is quite heavy and the sound deadener was a PITFA to remove. I also trimmed more off the wiring harness, it's nearly done. I included a pic of all the wiring that has been clipped so far just to give you an idea of how much work it is. I put in the floor mats just to clean up the interior a bit, all that I have left to put in is the dash, glovebox, center console, the driver's side underdash tray, and possibly trim off 2-3 more small plugs. I also still need to custom wire in my stereo, which only weighs about 5 lbs (I miss my cruising tunes, fecking car thieves killed my old stereo).
http://deprived.krypt.com/92205.jpg
http://deprived.krypt.com/wiring.jpg
Yes the picture quality is bad, but hey, it's a camera phone, what do you expect.
Dustin 09-22-2005, 06:48 PM Did you do a pre-weigh to see what the weight was before you did all this shit?
AGlobalThreat 09-22-2005, 06:51 PM Nope, but iirc 87 na 5spd hardtop weighs 3470 lbs, or somewhere around there. It's quite light (For a supra). I started out with the lightest model so the final weight of the car will be very low.
AGlobalThreat 09-23-2005, 01:00 PM I have finalized my plans with the interior. I am going to use my 2 carpet kits (I may need to buy more) I previously used just as layouts and I'm going to trace and cut for them to cover the floor, rear seats, and small area in the hatch where sound deadener was. The floor mats look nice, but they aren't big enough and I'd rather cover ALL the metal on the floor, cover the rear seats, seat backs, and small section(s) in the hatch. Although this will be a lot of work to get it exactly right, this will look much better and be much easier than cleaning up all of the sound deadener residue left behind and finding the perfect floor mats to fit. I will be permanentaly sealing the carpet to the floor once I cut it exactly right and lay it down (To allow for vaccuuming, and to prevent the carpet from shifting due to passenger/driver movement, etc.), and I will also cover the rear seats and hatch. The car will soon look like it came from the factory like this, and some slight road racing look inside that I'm looking for, while still being easy on the eyes and comforting to passengers. Personally I'd rather have an all out gutted car, but our cars just weren't meant for it, and the interior looks like ass when its down to bare metal. The interior ideas came from the interior of a lotus elise, although I think perfectly traced and layed out carpet covering the floor will be much better than simple floor mats in so many ways.
ma71supraturbo 09-23-2005, 07:34 PM :tittywop: :D
NashMan 09-25-2005, 06:23 PM hummm i am under my dash today and goign to remove some tign that you did not notice
the frie wall has sheet meatle with sounds dender backing glued to the fire wall
i am really thinking har dif wana remove ti since i cna not see it being big things for the car plus i going to put new piller brace in it may add weight but will make the alto less underer steery
but i really got to think if wana remove this cause it all acts as heat shield i guessing as well
what should i do
AGlobalThreat 09-25-2005, 08:55 PM Please post a picture of what you're talking about, cuz I have no clue.
NashMan 09-25-2005, 09:49 PM ok look at are your fire wall from insaid of the car, you will see that there are 2 layers of mealt one is very thin mealt with sound dender backing that is stuck to the ture fire wall
you can not miss it
i going ot take it off i thinks
Kermitthefrayer 09-26-2005, 01:03 PM Looks awesome but... You gotta draw the line some where between sport luxo and full out race car. I'm keeping my interior for now she's a heavy bitch fuk it!
AGlobalThreat 09-26-2005, 09:39 PM I'm not about to start removing metal from the chasis. If I did that I would be tubbing the back/front, and I will not do that due to the fact this is still a street driven car.
Today I made quite a bit of progress and started laying down the carpet. I did the hatch, rear seats, and passenger floor. I still need to do the driver's side floor, behind the front seats, behind the center armrest, and the sides of the strut tower (Where the sound deadener was in the hatch).
It looks great, much better than before I took out everything. You can look through the windows and the car doesn't look gutted whatsoever anymore.
What would you guys recommend to clean the metal with? Paint stripper only seems to smear it. I want to get all the little pieces left and residue completely gone so the metal looks brand new
What I use to take the sound deadening material off is dry ice. It makes a much easier cleanup. As for the remaining metal, once you clean it well you can just paint it. One thing you will notice with the interior removed from the car is the amount of dust and debris that gets in the car and blows around when you drive. Just a little heads up. Looks good.
mk3TT 10-25-2005, 02:38 AM I'm keeping my guts i like the supras insides plus its a supra what do you need weight reduction when u can make more power
AGlobalThreat 10-25-2005, 09:43 PM Power:Weight ratio. Make more power and lose weight while still keeping a great looking interior. When my interior was stock I didn't get any compliments, it looked very old and ragged. Now every time someone sits in it for the first time they make some sort of compliment, wether it be "wow this is nice, cool, etc.", there's always some sort of positive remark, and it makes me glad I put all the work into it.
I guess you didn't see the pics of my interior finished. :hihi:
Dustin 10-25-2005, 11:07 PM I'm keeping my guts i like the supras insides plus its a supra what do you need weight reduction when u can make more power
Because a lighter car handles, brakes, accelerates and generally does everything better.
mk3TT 10-26-2005, 12:49 AM yeah i understand that probably better than most but i guess i bought my supra for a different reason. my car is great looking stock 0 flaws on the inside and its just starting to get serface rust around the wheel wells thats getting fixed this winter. but i engine swapped to a 2jz hence me saying **** it make more power. because all in all my car still rides like a caddi when i need it to or still acts like a raped ape when i need it to
Arther3 10-28-2005, 09:33 AM because all in all my car still rides like a caddi when i need it to or still acts like a raped ape when i need it to
the Supra is a sports car, NOT a caddi. and if you want a high powered caddi that handles like BALLS but goes in a straight line really, really fast, then so be it. but there are some of us who actually like to DRIVE our cars in NONSTRAIGHT paths that would like to optimize the supras performance for said paths.
so if you dont like weight reduction, do us a favor, find another thread and leave this one alone....
because i dont think the purpose of this thread is to dispute whether or not weight reduction is necessary.
AGlobalThreat 10-28-2005, 03:26 PM It's mainly the power:weight ratio, with aerodynamics, traction, rotating mass, rolling mass, and more just thrown into the mix. Pick which you like and go from there.
MKIII-DRIFTKING 10-28-2005, 06:19 PM I'm keeping my guts i like the supras insides plus its a supra what do you need weight reduction when u can make more power
Great post!!! Couldn't agree with you more, but nice work though. I would like to do that to a beater supra, one with the sole purpuse of taking it to the track!!!
MKIII-DRIFTKING 10-28-2005, 06:21 PM AGlobalThreat,
I hope it doesn't get cold or hot where you live, since you took everything out of the car.
AGlobalThreat 10-29-2005, 12:19 AM Ha, believe me it's not bad at all. But I guess that's just because I'm never cold and never hot. Heck, at the last socal meet I went to I was wearing shorts in the rain and was fine.
mk3TT 10-29-2005, 01:19 AM the Supra is a sports car, NOT a caddi. and if you want a high powered caddi that handles like BALLS but goes in a straight line really, really fast, then so be it. but there are some of us who actually like to DRIVE our cars in NONSTRAIGHT paths that would like to optimize the supras performance for said paths.
Um actually it is a sports car but theres this little button called TEMS therefor when im cruising around not tryin to break stuff the car rides like a caddi, when its on stage 3 not so much. plus im pretty sure i know what driving really is considering open wheeled A-mod dirt track cars are kinda tricky some times. :moon:
Arther3 10-29-2005, 01:26 AM go fast turn left, go fast turn left, sounds like fun and very challenging!! sign me up!!!
psykho supra 10-29-2005, 12:32 PM the Supra is a sports car, NOT a caddi. and if you want a high powered caddi that handles like BALLS but goes in a straight line really, really fast, then so be it. but there are some of us who actually like to DRIVE our cars in NONSTRAIGHT paths that would like to optimize the supras performance for said paths.
so if you dont like weight reduction, do us a favor, find another thread and leave this one alone....
because i dont think the purpose of this thread is to dispute whether or not weight reduction is necessary.
Chill man, he was just posting his thoughts, you don't need to come in here with your japanese model car sig pic, and sarcasm. It's a discussion not a flame war over car interior.
kwnate 10-29-2005, 12:43 PM Arther3, Have you ever seen a caddilac CTS-V? SCCA SPEED World Challenge GT Championship on the Speed channel, check it out sometime...
Arther3 10-29-2005, 05:28 PM Chill man, he was just posting his thoughts, you don't need to come in here with your japanese model car sig pic, and sarcasm. It's a discussion not a flame war over car interior.
I'm not even gonna waste my time replying to this!!! I'm not in high school!!!
Arther3, Have you ever seen a caddilac CTS-V? SCCA SPEED World Challenge GT Championship on the Speed channel, check it out sometime...
yes...there completely gutted!!!!!!!!!!!
I repeat, this thread is not a debate about whether or not weight reduction is necessary. nor is it about Mk3TT's PERSONAL VIEWS of weight reduction. I simply asked him to keep his PERSONAL VIEWS to himself because it is POINTLESS to dispute them on a forum...hence the reason supraforums SUCKS so bad. I'd hate to see that happen to this forum...I'm finished on this subject.
now about weight reduction...has anyone considered removing the bumper supports from front and/or back and making the car lighter but a bit more dangerous in an accident?
mk3TT 10-29-2005, 05:42 PM go fast turn left, go fast turn left, sounds like fun and very challenging!! sign me up!!!
lets see your car has exactly what kind of HP? Because an my A-mod open wheel has around 580hp and 500ft. lbs from a 383 stroker and thats runs on dirt.
As far as weight reductions and bumper supports they weight atleast 35 pounds a peice so removing them could make quite a difference
p.s. weight reductions cool and all im not tring to flame ppl for doing it. i,ve done it to many cars just none of them have been supras. I belive that doing it to a supra would be a waste my own oppinion
Arther3 10-29-2005, 05:55 PM ok you win...you got the last word...
thanks for the info on the bumper supports.
AGlobalThreat 10-29-2005, 06:40 PM I ditched my bumper supports LONG ago
Arther3 10-30-2005, 01:58 AM notice a difference? understeer, oversteer?
AGlobalThreat 10-30-2005, 05:34 PM Just much better handling/acceleration/breaking overall. I don't take turns very fast because I've never been to a gt track and I feel inexperienced. I rode through the canyons in a lotus elise today, and well, my car can't take turns THAT fast I know that for damn sure.
I have yet to start the suspension on my car aside from the KYB shocks, I'm still waiting for my springs in the mail that I ordered over 3 weeks ago and my strut bar was lost in the mail. Not to mention my tires don't grip as well as I wish they would.
NashMan 11-01-2005, 06:42 PM hummm i just finshed my dash bord it now weigths about 18.5 pounds befor it was 23
yae i love finding things i don't need
i may be puttign heater back in my car but thsi heater you cna by cost like 30 bucsk and weighs like 2 pounds
but we will see she is pretty much a summer car now
next is trying to find away to do plexi window for the back and stuff
AGlobalThreat 11-01-2005, 07:11 PM Replacing windows with plexiglass/lexan is not street legal.
NashMan 11-01-2005, 09:22 PM **** if i care
IHI-RHC7 11-02-2005, 11:30 AM Can we see some pice of the completed interior??
AGlobalThreat 11-02-2005, 06:35 PM http://thesupraforums.com/showthread.php?t=321
I'd have to say, I reckon the biggest improvements would be from lexan rear glass and fibrglass bonnet, both of which are street illegal here...
if it's a jza, turf the messy twin turbo setup and go for a simple big single... replace the fuel tank with a proper cell, and have a think about where you want that weight to go, remembering that it's not just the total mass that matters, it's the distrubution of that mass....
if it's got electric seats, turf those, if you've got an auto go manual.. if it's a targa, sell it and get a hardtop... (not all of these apply to your car, but they will apply to someones)
and, have a look at your rims, how much do they weigh? is there a lighter wheel available to you? one of the guys at the local strip has realised that in his application, you can reduce the rotating mass by using a bigger offset wheel.. it's not a huge change, but if you're getting down to the 1%'ers, then it's something to consider...
AGlobalThreat 11-16-2005, 08:04 PM Everything that u said I have or have done aside from the rear lexan, and I was already considering that.
hehe... cool :-)
there's not really much left unless you want to go for a set of fibreglass doors... but thats only really an option if you've got a serious roll cage with a decent set of side intrusion bars...
The Great Tougini 11-21-2005, 11:09 AM how about a fiberglass hatch? i saw those 1 day when i was lookin at ae86 parts
AGlobalThreat 11-21-2005, 02:30 PM The amount of money you have to pay for the SLIGHT weight reduction of fiberglass/cf parts is not worth it IMO. It's a power:weight ratio, so don't forget about the power. Money that could be spent on fiberglass/cf parts would make more of a difference if put towards increasing power. Paying $400 for a hood that will save 30 lbs is not worth it IMO, I'd much rather spend $400 on perfecting a tune or upgrading fuel/air components.
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