Well, Dana went out first round, he had a problem with his nitrous......didn't purge....the car Stalled at the line... Too bad, cause I am pretty sure he was going to run well over 170 mph. I ran a 9.17@152...pushed through the beams staging against the foot brake (no trans brake on my car). So the 60' indicated 1.55, more realistically was a low 1.40. I used the nitrous just of the hole just to get the boost to 20 psi, then turned it off. It worked pretty well, but I need more braking power at the line. I won the round, but I had a plugged injector, number one leaned out a bit, and compression was down in #1, so I elected not to run the car for the next round. The car Scaled 3870lbs!

how big a shot do you use launching your car? and what turbo are you running again? you should be in the 8's once you sort it out a bit more...

nice run..
jay

how big a shot do you use launching your car? and what turbo are you running again? you should be in the 8's once you sort it out a bit more...

nice run..
jay

I used 150 on the leave, and still on a little 76s!

Ouch, I just read the other post and was stoked for ya. Now this :( Hope you get it sorted and congrats on the low 9!

Nice. Almost there Jason. Congrats!

Next time out should have multiple 8 second passes :snork_lac That car went down the track like it was just making a run to the corner store:)

Gratz on the new time Jason, knocking on that 8 now.

Next time out should have multiple 8 second passes :snork_lac That car went down the track like it was just making a run to the corner store:)

Saad, thanks for the help this weekend. It really shows the kind of person you are when you are willing to get in your car and drive 6 hours without your race car to come watch, and help and also let me bitch at you when things aren't working right:). After 1st gear I actually started looking at my guages.....it was kind of boring!

It was my pleasure. It would have been a lot better if you would have run in the 8's and Dana would have hit 170mph. Maybe next time:)

It was my pleasure. It would have been a lot better if you would have run in the 8's and Dana would have hit 170mph. Maybe next time:)

Well that 9.17 was the 24th pass down the track since I took off the stock twins...., and the 17th pass since the engine was built, so at this point I am pretty happy with how the car is coming along. It's been what seems like along time, but you know my schedule, I don't get to the track very often. It would have happened much sooner (as you know) if it wasn't for the converter trans issues that we had to sort through. They are right now...so we'll just activate the nitrous and run the number!

Thanks again!

Here is an update for those of you who might be interested. My original assessment of a bad injector was not correct. What it turned out to be was a sticky injector, (not completely closing), and a cracked ring lan in the same cylinder. The injector had a piece of debris in the seat, keeping it from closing all the way. This was making the spark plug look more fuel fauled than oil fauled. The ring lan was cracked in vegas from a nitrous backfire. The crack just got worse each pass to where I didn't want to risk damaging other components. I was trying some very unorthodox things with the nitrous for the launch, and I just couldn't get it consistant.

I was trying some very unorthodox things with the nitrous for the launch, and I just couldn't get it consistant.


Congrats on the 9.1 and for trying new things. Hard to find someone willing to.

Jason, according to Lyan Spoon-fed, you are just a bench racer. What do you and your 9.3 @ 150+ have to say to that comment?

Extends microphone towards Jason, intently focusing the camera.

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Thanks guys! What alot of people tend to forget is that I don't do things the "normal" way, I look for better ways. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but Usually it does. I always try these odd things on my own car, not someone elses, unless they are perfectly willing and understand the possible consequences. As for the Bench Racer comment....well that just shows the fact that Ryan (who was always the first person to listen to me) is just plain ignorant. I'll share a little story about Lyan. In texas year before last, Lyan was having some boost problems, and kept coming over to Saad and I (like he always did) and asking what to do. For a test he unplugged the side of the wastegate, and ran straight boost pressure to the top. Then went out and tried it. He came back saying "the AEM isn't reading boost correctly....somethings wrong with it". I asked him why he thought that......his response was "there is no way I am making 48psi of boost like it says". I said really......you have a stock engine, I would be careful, what does your gauge say? He said "It's pegged over 30psi....but no way it's 48.....come on i'll show you!" So I went out....and we made a rip on one of the side streets next to the track. The genious was smoking the slicks at 60mph, and couldn't grasp the concept that the boost reading was real! That......in a nutshell is Lyan and his intelligence when it comes to cars. He had a bunch of people help him (including myself) build a car that runs great....claims the credit himself, when all he REALLY did was bolt a few proven parts on his car and write checks to people that supplied them.

The 9.17 was nothing for my car.....it was a 1.55 60!I wasn't happy with it, but I was pleased at the number all things considered. The nitrous will be active the next time out....then you'll see a 3870lb sled run under 8.50 with a little 76s turbo.

QuickSilver Silver Spoon Woon (hey, THATS catchy) said he doesn't copy setups, he just gets advice from Nero at Titan. Ryan (although I've seen him in the past admit he runs a map of yours, modified of course) said he also tuned his car. He bolted all the parts on, yes, EXCEPT don't forget someone else put that fuel rail on wrong.

Woon also said "he doesn't run a spool"!!! But I actually sort of wonder on that one. TRD LSD? I wonder...Anybody have any videos of Woons car going around a corner? Do the tires skip?

Silver Spoon... kinda catchy.. :)

hahahaha!!! Ryan "Silver Spoon" Woon. That is one of the most original things I've heard in a long time (although I'm sure he won't think so!). :snork_lac :snork_lac

QuickSilver Silver Spoon Woon (hey, THATS catchy) said he doesn't copy setups, he just gets advice from Nero at Titan. Ryan (although I've seen him in the past admit he runs a map of yours, modified of course) said he also tuned his car. He bolted all the parts on, yes, EXCEPT don't forget someone else put that fuel rail on wrong.

Woon also said "he doesn't run a spool"!!! But I actually sort of wonder on that one. TRD LSD? I wonder...Anybody have any videos of Woons car going around a corner? Do the tires skip?


My car skips going around tight corners... does that mean i have a spool??? Or does that mean i have a TRD LSD, like ryan and cody ect.....

And tell me how you modify a tuned map for whatever turbo jason helped ryan with a 71?? 76?? ... and slightly modify that map for a Stroker motor, 88mm turbo... nitrous .. 280 cams... ect .. come on give it a break man. You cant just change add 5% and be done.... i hope you know better than that

Woon also said "he doesn't run a spool"!!! But I actually sort of wonder on that one. TRD LSD? I wonder...Anybody have any videos of Woons car going around a corner? Do the tires skip?

It is in fact possible to cut good 60fts without a spool, I am proof of that with a best 1.36 60ft and multiple 1.4x 60fts. Larry (sp) will attest to it being a stock torsion diff all day long. However a 28" slick does wonders ;)

Are you simply saying that he's lying about "not" having a spool? Just curious.

Chris

Very nice, congrats.

I hate most rules of thumb and I'm only quoting this version of an often made comment that I just found again so I can say "fat pig" about that 3870 lbs. Plus on top of that, they got it twisted ;) and here's the site where I found this great piece of wisdom http://www.web-cars.com/math/calculations.html

"...Put another way, it is often easier to gain speed by taking away weight instead of adding horsepower. A rule of thumb amongst drag racers is that removing 200 lbs. will add 0.1 seconds to the 1/4 mile time"

So according to that, if you can drop your weight by 400lbs, you're et could increase to 9.37 ...obviously the solution is to add more weight. This stuff is so counter-intuititve ;)

And tell me how you modify a tuned map for whatever turbo jason helped ryan with a 71?? 76?? ... and slightly modify that map for a Stroker motor, 88mm turbo... nitrous .. 280 cams... ect .. come on give it a break man. You cant just change add 5% and be done.... i hope you know better than that

It's very easy...you of all people should know that. The map I did in your car at Rado's was a different injector size, turbo size, and cams....it took me what....4 pulls to trim that map to work PERFECTLY in your car... It is quite simple. Timing doesn't need to change WHATSOEVER for those changes, and W.O.T. fuel is the single easiest thing to tune in a car...... Don't kid yourself, Silver Spoon Woon, is a xerox machine!

BTW...if your car "skips" around corners with an LSD you have issues.

It's very easy...you of all people should know that. The map I did in your car at Rado's was a different injector size, turbo size, and cams....it took me what....4 pulls to trim that map to work PERFECTLY in your car... It is quite simple. Timing doesn't need to change WHATSOEVER for those changes, and W.O.T. fuel is the single easiest thing to tune in a car...... Don't kid yourself, Silver Spoon Woon, is a xerox machine!

BTW...if your car "skips" around corners with an LSD you have issues.

So if he did change the injector size, turbo size, and cam settings on his car.... how would that still make it your map??

Im not going to tell you about tuning, its not my place. Im just saying, that woons map is his own map. You may of had some input on him learning the material to get him to where he is.... but i dont think his car would be running the way it is, with a completely modified Jason map.

Its like saying i have a stock car that was built by you, but then i put in a built motor, single, rear end ect..... You may of built the stock car, which is the foundation of the new setup.... but by no means is it you current work.

Jon, 95% of the settings in the map are Jason's settings. Most AEM running supras are using a map that was initially designed by Jason. From that base map, the customer makes small changes to fine tune it.

I'm not saying that is what Ryan did. He may have started from scratch....

Is it Jason's map... not any more. It is a mixture of Jason's map and whoever final tuned the cars map! If that makes any sense.

Bottom line is that if it were not for Jason, we would not have the AEM EMS for our cars and we would not have a baseline map either!

Larry

So if he did change the injector size, turbo size, and cam settings on his car.... how would that still make it your map??

Im not going to tell you about tuning, its not my place. Im just saying, that woons map is his own map. You may of had some input on him learning the material to get him to where he is.... but i dont think his car would be running the way it is, with a completely modified Jason map.

Its like saying i have a stock car that was built by you, but then i put in a built motor, single, rear end ect..... You may of built the stock car, which is the foundation of the new setup.... but by no means is it you current work.

Jon, you couldn't be more wrong....the setup in the options, pressure comp, timing curve etc...are all ones I did for him. He didn't start from scratch. I have modified my SUpra to an extremem level is it not a Toyota? Is it not a Supra? just becuase I changed a few things (alot more than what Ryan changed in that calibration for damn sure) doesn't change that... Why don't you take a look at the cal I did for you and look at his....Look at All of the 1500+ options, nearly 100 tables, and see what settings he changed....The fuel curve (the easy part), and MAYBE a couple of timing numbers..... He knows it too...but he is Silver Spoon Lyan Woon.

Jon, 95% of the settings in the map are Jason's settings. Most AEM running supras are using a map that was initially designed by Jason. From that base map, the customer makes small changes to fine tune it.

I'm not saying that is what Ryan did. He may have started from scratch....

Is it Jason's map... not any more. It is a mixture of Jason's map and whoever final tuned the cars map! If that makes any sense.

Bottom line is that if it were not for Jason, we would not have the AEM EMS for our cars and we would not have a baseline map either!

Larry

Larry, WELCOME ABOARD! :)

Are you simply saying that he's lying about "not" having a spool? Just curious.Chris

If Woon says he runs a TRD LSD, or a stock Torsen, I'll believe him. I believe him when he says he has a TRD LSD right now. I have no reason not to believe (I was just stirring a bit :so: )

If Woon does lie about his setup or parts, he is a fool. He is not helping, just hurting the community as a whole. He gets his info from Nero @ Titan anyway, and some other shops. Woon is a good racer/driver. I have no clue on his installation abilities (other than a fuel rail problem, which we don't know who did what to). I wouldn't necessarily put my faith in Woon for parts based on HIS experiences. What works for him may not work for someone else (as evidenced with his clutch fiasco).

I'm not trying to badmouth Woon (maybe stir up some shit), but all in all, he is a Silver Spoon with a Silver Supra.

It's very easy...you of all people should know that. The map I did in your car at Rado's was a different injector size, turbo size, and cams....it took me what....4 pulls to trim that map to work PERFECTLY in your car... It is quite simple. Timing doesn't need to change WHATSOEVER for those changes, and W.O.T. fuel is the single easiest thing to tune in a car...... Don't kid yourself, Silver Spoon Woon, is a xerox machine!

BTW...if your car "skips" around corners with an LSD you have issues.

I agree with Jasons first mini paragraph. Timing will stay the same for the most part, etc. etc. Fuel at WOT is easy enough.

And I agree, if your car skips around corners with an LSD, it is not unlocking and has problems. Try friction modifier (1 qt.) in the oil. Should solve the issues.

I've only had LSD's skip around corners when they were new and did not have friction modifier, or were setup improperly (clutch type LSD).

Jon, 95% of the settings in the map are Jason's settings. Most AEM running supras are using a map that was initially designed by Jason. From that base map, the customer makes small changes to fine tune it.

I'm not saying that is what Ryan did. He may have started from scratch....

Is it Jason's map... not any more. It is a mixture of Jason's map and whoever final tuned the cars map! If that makes any sense.

Bottom line is that if it were not for Jason, we would not have the AEM EMS for our cars and we would not have a baseline map either!

Larry

I wondered how Jason got a base map. If he did indeed create it, WOW! How did Justin Nenni (The reputed _best_ Supra tuner) get his base map? Did he create his own or work off a modified Jason map? Just curious.

I always wondered what this big tuning drama was about. Justin Nenni flying to CA to do tuning in SoCal when Jason Siebels is right here in our own backyard. Why bother?

I wondered how Jason got a base map. If he did indeed create it, WOW! How did Justin Nenni (The reputed _best_ Supra tuner) get his base map? Did he create his own or work off a modified Jason map? Just curious.

I always wondered what this big tuning drama was about. Justin Nenni flying to CA to do tuning in SoCal when Jason Siebels is right here in our own backyard. Why bother?

Part of it is scheduling. Jason works for AEM, who tells him where he has to travel to, all over the o****ry, while Justin goes around the country (actually the world) tuning cars, not just the AEM, but other systems as well. He makes his own schedule, so that makes it easier for him to be out here sometimes. I know Jason goes for months being out of town every week for AEM. When you need your car tuned, that makes it hard from a timing standpoint.

I think it comes down to a matter of tuning styles. Jason and Justin are both excellent tuners, but they both have their own ways of doing it. Some people prefer one over the other. Jason has gotten a lot of bad pub over at SF, while Justin has gotten good pub. It has nothing to do with their abilities, more with people's dealings with them, or worse, trolls who jump in and express opinions without any actual involvement (like the saying goes, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one).

I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

I wondered how Jason got a base map. If he did indeed create it, WOW! How did Justin Nenni (The reputed _best_ Supra tuner) get his base map? Did he create his own or work off a modified Jason map? Just curious.

I always wondered what this big tuning drama was about. Justin Nenni flying to CA to do tuning in SoCal when Jason Siebels is right here in our own backyard. Why bother?

As Guido stated, I am gone alot...also alot of people don't realize I will do tuning outside of AEM. I refer people to Justin alot, because I am out of town alot, and he does great work!

As Guido stated, I am gone alot...also alot of people don't realize I will do tuning outside of AEM. I refer people to Justin alot, because I am out of town alot, and he does great work!

And how come you got a bad rep with some SF members? Some people really dislike you. It goes a lot deeper/further than just dislike or whatever.

And how come you got a bad rep with some SF members? Some people really dislike you. It goes a lot deeper/further than just dislike or whatever.

Go do a search over there and you can find threads on all kinds of subjects. Mainly drag racing. A lot of people take the shit talking way to seriously. Before a big race you get guys saying all kinds of things to try and make the upcoming races more interesting and exciting. Things are said, many times there are mis-understandings and things go downhill from there. There are a lot of young, stupid kids over there that don't know a whole lot (and some that do), and just like to create issues too.

There is also some genuine dislike between certain members and this also gets blown out of proportion on an internet forum. Remember, it's the internet and a lot of people say things here that they would never say to your face.

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense.

I'm going to someday soon meet Jason and get some tuning. I'll decipher his character over some brewskies or a hottie or two.

I introduced myself to Jason at SEMA last year, but he didn't seem to really give a poop. Maybe I should have left out the part "I'm a friend of Larry Prebis" :D

Chris

I introduced myself to Jason at SEMA last year, but he didn't seem to really give a poop. Maybe I should have left out the part "I'm a friend of Larry Prebis" :D

Chris

SEMA is rough for me...sorry, I meet so many people, and the days and nights kind of run together in Vegas!! This year I am there 2 days instead of 4, so I should be more attentive!:)

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense.

I'm going to someday soon meet Jason and get some tuning. I'll decipher his character over some brewskies or a hottie or two.

Sounds good!

Sounds good!

Brewskis and hotties always get your attention, Jason! :beer2:

Jason, what kind of brewskies do you like? The ones that comes served by a full rack of titties? LOL. J/K, but what do you drink?

What type of boobies are your best interest? Hooters or Strip Club? I can't say I've ever been to a Hooters before. Is there any in SoCal? (I feel dumb at this point). But hey, I know where some good strip clubs are (and yes, only females dance there). There is a place I'm itching to go, called 4Play off the 405 and Pico. We could discuss _fine_ tuning there, perhaps?

Also a spot where I met the owner (hes a cool guy) named Xposed. Right next door is a bar called the Wet Spot. Get all drunk and walk next door to see some jiggly jiggly. Pure heaven I tell you. This is located in the valley.

Jason (my brothers name too :respekt: And I named him when I was 8), I need a ride in a 9 second Supra, specifically yours. =) I love GM trannies.

I'm 24 years old. Curious, you much older than me Jason? You seem pretty young, but I may be off. If I had to guess over the internet, I'd say you are 25-30.

Jason, what kind of brewskies do you like? The ones that comes served by a full rack of titties? LOL. J/K, but what do you drink?

What type of boobies are your best interest? Hooters or Strip Club? I can't say I've ever been to a Hooters before. Is there any in SoCal? (I feel dumb at this point). But hey, I know where some good strip clubs are (and yes, only females dance there). There is a place I'm itching to go, called 4Play off the 405 and Pico. We could discuss _fine_ tuning there, perhaps?

Also a spot where I met the owner (hes a cool guy) named Xposed. Right next door is a bar called the Wet Spot. Get all drunk and walk next door to see some jiggly jiggly. Pure heaven I tell you. This is located in the valley.

Jason (my brothers name too :respekt: And I named him when I was 8), I need a ride in a 9 second Supra, specifically yours. =) I love GM trannies.

I'm 24 years old. Curious, you much older than me Jason? You seem pretty young, but I may be off. If I had to guess over the internet, I'd say you are 25-30.


who are you? :eusa_shif

I introduced myself to Jason at SEMA last year, but he didn't seem to really give a poop. Maybe I should have left out the part "I'm a friend of Larry Prebis" :D

Chris

If you wouldn't have said that, Jason probably wouldn't have even looked at your ugly ass! :respekt:

Congrats on the weekend Jason!!! I know it's not all that you wanted but it's at least a step in the right direction. As always it was a pleasure hanging out with you guys and if you need my help anytime you know i'm there. Give me a call before you come in for SEMA so we can set something up with the Mustang ;) ;)

Saad: always a good time hanging out with you as well. Your a real character sometimes :respekt: I can't believe how you hit it on the head with Dana's car running the mph. :eyebulge: Good stuff.....you still coming out in the near future??

Thanks Elliot.

Let's shoot for Monday evening. I come in around noon, then I have to set up the booth... Like I said, I am pleased with the way the car ran, not happy, just pleased. I should have it back out in the next couple of weeks testing some other ideas! I don't know of anyone else running a non transbrake auto Supra that has gone this quick, nevermind the 3870lb weight:)

Thanks Elliot.

Let's shoot for Monday evening. I come in around noon, then I have to set up the booth... Like I said, I am pleased with the way the car ran, not happy, just pleased. I should have it back out in the next couple of weeks testing some other ideas! I don't know of anyone else running a non transbrake auto Supra that has gone this quick, nevermind the 3870lb weight:)
what about marko's old supra?

who are you? :eusa_shif

Stealth021 from Woodland Hills, CA on SF.com.

what about marko's old supra?

Marko runs a transbrake on a TH400.

Jason runs a much heavier 4L80E 4 spd GM tranny (with electronic control I think) and to my knowledge, nobody has fabricated a transbrake for a 4L60 or 4L80 yet. It can be done, but to my knowledge, it has not.

Marko runs a transbrake on a TH400.

Jason runs a much heavier 4L80E 4 spd GM tranny (with electronic control I think) and to my knowledge, nobody has fabricated a transbrake for a 4L60 or 4L80 yet. It can be done, but to my knowledge, it has not.


Correct!!!!!

Correct!!!!!

Wait, you mean I actually know something? My GM knowledge is useful somewhere in the Supra world? You mean the Supra guys DON'T know everything?! I'm shocked...baffled...bewildered even!

Jason, lets build a transbrake for your 4L80E. I have a forum of people who can help us do it. Want me to bring my GM truck to Pomona next time as a service vehicle? I'll carry your slicks (if necessary) and any tools necessary. I can tow if your car breaks (hope not).

I'll be calling you soon!

well at least that was clarified for me..cause i never knew for sure myself. how 4l80e so far has proven itself a very worthy tranny..both on jason's supra and parish's truck.

well at least that was clarified for me..cause i never knew for sure myself. how 4l80e so far has proven itself a very worthy tranny..both on jason's supra and parish's truck.

That's a name i didn't think i would hear on a Supra site.....Parish. His truck is incredible! Sorry to go off topic.....that just caught me off guard.

That's a name i didn't think i would hear on a Supra site.....Parish. His truck is incredible! Sorry to go off topic.....that just caught me off guard.
i just brought his name up cause he along with jason have good examples of 4l80e's being able to take very high amounts of power.

Thanks Elliot.

Let's shoot for Monday evening. I come in around noon, then I have to set up the booth... Like I said, I am pleased with the way the car ran, not happy, just pleased. I should have it back out in the next couple of weeks testing some other ideas! I don't know of anyone else running a non transbrake auto Supra that has gone this quick, nevermind the 3870lb weight:)

Sounds like a plan to me!!! :crazy01:

Get your car back out and bust down some 8's. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that it's not going to be that far off. That one pic that was posted of your car launching shows a pretty good transfer. Now if the rest of the run can match....watch out mid to low 8's :headbang:

I wondered how Jason got a base map. If he did indeed create it, WOW! How did Justin Nenni (The reputed _best_ Supra tuner) get his base map? Did he create his own or work off a modified Jason map? Just curious.

I always wondered what this big tuning drama was about. Justin Nenni flying to CA to do tuning in SoCal when Jason Siebels is right here in our own backyard. Why bother?

Jason is not the type of guy to say this so I will say this for him. Justin was one of Jason students, this should explain alot.

Congrats on the weekend Jason!!! I know it's not all that you wanted but it's at least a step in the right direction. As always it was a pleasure hanging out with you guys and if you need my help anytime you know i'm there. Give me a call before you come in for SEMA so we can set something up with the Mustang ;) ;)

Saad: always a good time hanging out with you as well. Your a real character sometimes :respekt: I can't believe how you hit it on the head with Dana's car running the mph. :eyebulge: Good stuff.....you still coming out in the near future??

Always good to see my friends from Vegas, I just wish that Jack could have made it:) I will try and get my car to the street car shootout and take back my MPH crown:)

Parish's truck is siiiiccckkkk. He is inspiring me to turbo my 97 truck. I'm hoping to add some boost and have Jason tune it.

Ya too bad I missed it, Pamona is my favorite event each and every year, even if my car was running, I probably still would've missed it, kinda neglected the kids for 2 weeks because the meet, so had alot of parenting work to catch up on. But Im sure ill see you all soon at the street car shoot out in Vegas. And ya can't wait till you get your car running again Saad, between you ard Ryan, both very modivating for me to hurry up and get my turd running again. See you all soon.

You know I gotta jump in here about reputations... A lot of people question why some people have attitudes and such on these forums. Some are smart enough not to judge people until they meet them but many only go by what they read. Jason takes a lot of heat for his remarks on the forums but until you've ever been in a position of knowledge where everybody and your mother is constantly challenging you and constantly asking things of you, you have no idea what that takes out of you. I've been there on certain subjects and I learned it gets hard to maintain a calm demenor under these circumstances. Most of the time you are challenged by those who have no idea what they are talking about or don't know enough to realize they understand only a fraction of the subject. Also how you mean to say something and how it comes across on type are two different things. Sarcasm doesn't translate well in type and neither do some comments.

Congratulations Jason on your strong run with a MUCH SMALLER TURBO than others running those times.... You're still a punk ass in my book but I say that will all due respect.

One thing I learned about being in this industry is those who truely know don't argue much about things but rather elaborate on things they agree on. That is because they understand the physics of what they are speaking about and you can't change the laws or physics. The ones who disagree tend to be those who only know of their experiences and typically don't fully understand them. If you've ever been in the presence of race professionals (I'm talking about Cosworth etc...) discussing a topic you'll know what I'm talking about.

While I am at it, those who riducule Saad have probably never met him. He is a genuinely nice person and I have always thought very highly of him and his character. He has never been anything less than 100% real to me and a friend willing to help anyway he can. It takes a tremendous amount of effort to pioneer like he has and people can only focus on the mishaps. Those people also probably never tried to get 1400+ hp down the track.

Unless you have walked that road, keep your comments to yourself and don't disregard those that have helped you get to where you are.

You know I gotta jump in here about reputations... A lot of people question why some people have attitudes and such on these forums. Some are smart enough not to judge people until they meet them but many only go by what they read. Jason takes a lot of heat for his remarks on the forums but until you've ever been in a position of knowledge where everybody and your mother is constantly challenging you and constantly asking things of you, you have no idea what that takes out of you. I've been there on certain subjects and I learned it gets hard to maintain a calm demenor under these circumstances. Most of the time you are challenged by those who have no idea what they are talking about or don't know enough to realize they understand only a fraction of the subject. Also how you mean to say something and how it comes across on type are two different things. Sarcasm doesn't translate well in type and neither do some comments.

Congratulations Jason on your strong run with a MUCH SMALLER TURBO than others running those times.... You're still a punk ass in my book but I say that will all due respect.

One thing I learned about being in this industry is those who truely know don't argue much about things but rather elaborate on things they agree on. That is because they understand the physics of what they are speaking about and you can't change the laws or physics. The ones who disagree tend to be those who only know of their experiences and typically don't fully understand them. If you've ever been in the presence of race professionals (I'm talking about Cosworth etc...) discussing a topic you'll know what I'm talking about.

While I am at it, those who riducule Saad have probably never met him. He is a genuinely nice person and I have always thought very highly of him and his character. He has never been anything less than 100% real to me and a friend willing to help anyway he can. It takes a tremendous amount of effort to pioneer like he has and people can only focus on the mishaps. Those people also probably never tried to get 1400+ hp down the track.

Unless you have walked that road, keep your comments to yourself and don't disregard those that have helped you get to where you are.

Ah man, you're making me cry! (I can't figure out which ****ing smilely to use to show I'm kidding here). I agree with you completely, though. You and Jason have helped me a lot and I realize how much I don't know when talking to both of you. By the way, I got my car back last night from Jason and I need to talk to you about it. He says the ball is in your court now. :beer2:

Dave: couldn't have said it better myself! Great post.....just wish more people could share the same views. I'm amazed that more people haven't said congrats to Jason for running good. Then again with the way things have gone lately i guess it really shouldn't suprise me. We'll see soon when he busts down some mid 8's huh? How come you weren't in Pamona? Are you in Japan posting right now?

Guys, thanks for the support, I knew who post and who wouldn't, this is just the way things are. The other guys can have their silence, as it will be all they have soone enough. The people who know me, know that I don't "focus" on my car, I have alot of other things on my plate, and while it has taken time to sort things out behind the engine, this is a subject I don't claim to know alot about, so I rely on other people to help...now it's right.. the times will be there. I have PLENTY of nitrous to use that hasn't been run......YET!:):)

I would like to say this about Justin... We are good friends, and he was one of the very first people to impress me in the import industry with his abilities. I talk to Justin regularly, and I wouldn't take ANYTHING away from him. He is a very talented individual, and I would recommend him to anyone. While I did train him on several occasions, he has a very good understanding of engines and engine management....so it made my job very easy!!:):)

i met jason at nopi here in phx hes a pretty nice guy and has a nice car course didnt get to talk much seieng him and saad were packing up to leave

you're still a punk jason. sorry i couldn't help you last night as watching you drop an engine on your toes would have made my evening... time to work on Guy's car now....

punk.

very well said dave. i have found that just about every person i talk to in the supra community is a very stand up person. i've never met one prick in the bunch. and as you said the internet is not a way to judge a person's character at all. hopefully a lot of you guys come to tx2k..so i can go for my second year in a row and meet more people and put faces to names.

Jason does have a slight attitude. He's a slight ego maniac. :) He's forced to deal with the general public many of which know nothing about performance, and he knows a great deal. That can get pretty annoying over time and can make him feel like the bearer of "all" knowledge. But deep down inside he keeps close the secret that I'm the one that taught him everything he knows. Truly amazing. he he. lol. :D

Chris.

Jason does have a slight attitude. He's a slight ego maniac. :) He's forced to deal with the general public many of which know nothing about performance, and he knows a great deal. That can get pretty annoying over time and can make him feel like the bearer of "all" knowledge. But deep down inside he keeps close the secret that I'm the one that taught him everything he knows. Truly amazing. he he. lol. :D

Chris.


Then I guess it's "all bow down to the big Kahuna", eh?? :eusa_ange

... time to work on Guy's car now....

And don't you forget those important priorities!! Hope you have an enjoyable trip to Japan. :snork_lac :snork_lac