So what is it???

Heres mine.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/SpeedyTRDSupra/Mycardroped1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/pictures/drift3.jpg

Nice man Ive yet to see a good mk3 drift out there. Good to see you reprasenting.

Yeah, I'm looking to pick up a MK2 -- they're way more fun to drift than the mk3. They're like an AE86 with balls

Or so you think.

I know ;) Here's the only pic of the '84 p-type I have off-hand, but it shows fresh battle damage from clearing the brush from gaurdrails:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/ma71supraturbo/tires2.jpg

Before any of you cry, it was purchased for the whopping sum on $1 because of a BHG, 212,000 miles, and a rough body. A 6M-GE, lowering springs, and gutted interior made it a fairly quick car and got me hooked. (hence my search for a nice mk2 now)

Offtopic, but my ghetto tire rack (all those tires are long gone, but you get the idea)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/ma71supraturbo/tires3.jpg

my Rx7... currently its setup for grip w/ some "massive" tires. i wedged some 17x8 and 17x9 under the meager fenders of my FC. im too lazy to put another set of wheels on there to drift with. my drifting owns your face! lol

heres the car, but those are the stock wheels.

http://www.tamparacing.com/photopost/data/500/14609RX7_night6_sig_size_copy.JPG

btw, judging by the last drift day i was at, corollas suck balls. they are novel and all, but flat out lack any real power to keep the wheels spinning for a decent amount of time. entry speed is critical but you cant maintain it since there is no power. good luck maintaining exit speed and initiating a choka-dori for a decent amount of time. 240's owned every single corolla or corolla variant there was.

91 240sx, 87 rx-7 fc3 until a month ago, and next my 87 targama71, wish i had some pics for you guys, still working on those. i will try to get my buddies pics of his last 90 240 hatchback with the rb20det drifting down hwy H thats as close as it gets to the down hill for us, now he's drifting a 93 silvia clone, with a turbo ka.

chris, i guess you don't like tak fujiwara and his panda trueno :amijdm:

Offtopic, but my ghetto tire rack (all those tires are long gone, but you get the idea)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/ma71supraturbo/tires3.jpg


That is alot of tires, I only have one spare set in my garage.

I like the hachi-hachi, but onlf if its a hatchback. the coupes arent aesthetically pleasing to me. for technical reasons, the coupe is a better choice, simply because its a more rigid chassis. but, there is virtually NO power to be had from a red hat or blue hat 4AG... unless you have an expensive AE101 swap or forced induction or some crazy ass ITB and wicked high compression w/ a standalone... i mean, people lay down 100-110 rwhp and are HAPPY with that. holy shit, i cant get ANYTHING done w/ 100rwhp, i dont care how much you e-brake, feint, or clutch kick. for long sweepers, you NEED to have some power. otherwise, you bleed off wayyyyy too much speed and you cant set yourself up for the next turn at all. and, if you dont have power, dont even THINK about doing a choka-dori down the straights. id like to get 170rwhp out of my RX7 and put some 15" bologna slicers and 205's on the rear of my RX7 and hit up the D1GP, cuz i could show up a good amount of KA powered 240's, some SR swapped cars and the corolla's too.

dont get me wrong, the AE88 GTS hatches are bad as hell. id like one cuz they are hard to find and get good gas mileage too. but, i cant see how they are so good at drifting. they ARENT good for real drifting, but they are good for beginners, which is what they are regarded for in japan. im sure a good number of japanese kids learned to drift in corollas, and it was their "first car" and regard it highly due to sentimental reasons, but not because its such a bad ass drift machine.

but, keep in mind, people who truely do drift well, dont need gobs of power to do it. having alot of power does a great job of hiding poorly skilled drivers. this saturday, i was at D-day in Ocala... my friend went out there with a STOCK KA-powered S13 hatch, yellow painted steelies and a welded diff. he was one of the ONLY People to make it around the whole track sideways. even the sponsored cars couldnt drift every turn flawlessly, choka-dori the straights and then set up for the next turns on the combos. even the "best" guys that day spun out, went off the track, kicked up dirt and rocks or simply didnt even drift every turn... but they had well prepped cars, alot of money and alot of power.

more often than not, those with no money have the skill, but those with money dont have the skill.

I'm with you on the corrollas. I've driven them and they are nice to initiate and fairly easy to drive. But 3rd gear drifts? HAHA never. That's where the mk2 comes in. a ~$500 6MGE, pacesetter header, $50 intake, test pipe, and custom cat-back and you've got 200hp. On a 3000lb car with skinny 14" tires it's just enough power to do what you need. You always *want* a little more but you can do everything you need with it and drive home after every event...

yeah, good thinking. i never really thought of a MK2 as being a good drift-unit. if they werent so hideous, id do it ;) lol.. seriously though, i would love to build a beater hard-top MK3 w/ a 1jz swap, or even a 1ggte swap and drift it. ive been to two D-days in a row, and no one has been out there in a MK3. i could turn the florida drift scene on its ear if i showed up w/ a supra, of any kind. 240's and corolla's arent the only cars that can drift.

I'm surprised at how rare FC's are over here. If I see 2 at an event its a shock...

Me and a friend built a nissan 240sx with a stock sr20 turbo swap exhaust, downpipe, intake, and minor porting and it can slide for days

yeah, if that SR-swap included the gratuitous battery relocation, greddy VSPL fmic and pipes, 3" DP and exhaust, it could run DEEP 13's with traction... thats a fair bit of power. way more than whatever the stock KA will put down.

if you have real skill, you dont need power to drift... and i think the D1GP event coordinators were upset that my friend came out of the woodwork and showed everyone up, even the sponsored cars. i thought it was funny as hell. he was kind of irritated that they were coming down on him for putting his hand out the window and doing the choka-dori down the straight... but they didnt reprimand anyone else.

seriously though, i would love to build a beater hard-top MK3 w/ a 1jz swap, or even a 1ggte swap and drift it.
whats wrong w/ the 7m? I do fine w/ the 7mge, and I've yet to blow a headgasket... but I mostly run tight courses and dont do much long sweeps, so I'm usually around 4-6k mid-drift.

im not comfortable holding the 7M at its redline for extended periouds of time. a 1jz i can run past the redline for days...

yea ill have to agree with that...when i first started i was using my 7m.. for some reason i was more cautious...kindda iffy on if i should keep it at redline even though i prepped the motor well enough to handle that kinda abuse, but with teh 1jz its different...its more comfortable if i leave it at redline for a while...it feels like its not really straining as much as the 7m...kinda trust the 1jz a little more though...with the 7m i always felt like i would blow the motor....had a bhg within the first week of buying the car...i dint like the experience....me and friend are building up an s13 with a redtop sr motor in it, we stripped teh chassis pretty much, had some dude spot weld some stuff, teh motor is almost stock...we're tryin to source an s15 turbo right now, but itll be up and moving pretty soon....i like that story about ur friend in the steelies.....same deal...when they had round 1 of formula d at wall, nj me and a bunch of ifx guys tried the prelims so we could drift the next day, we were a lot more consistent on teh track than some of the lower level "pros", not like calvin wan, ken gushi, millen or the big names... but some of teh less known guys...they bumped us...because we all ran steelies in the rear and our cars dint have the appeal...we looked like a regular car crew though...nothing fancy just there to do a job

hey jeff, do u have video of you mk3 drifting?

for those of you who think the 7m cant be rev-happy:

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8053


dont get me wrong, I'd prefer the 1jz anyday, but I'd like it to be known that the 7m will handle the stress.

oh i know the 7m will handle all the stress...after all a low mileage upgraded 7m handled all my crap for about 2.5 yrs...i know it can handle it...i just dont like to blow my motor...after the gasket did that in my face...i was more cautious with the motor just because of my experience...i have no doubt in my mind that the 7m can handle the power...i dont like the disappointment when something big goes wrong and teh car doesnt run anymore

yeah, im sure a properly prepared 7M could handle sustained G-forces and high rpms... however, its kind of risky for me in stock form. there are several things working against the stock 7M that i already know of and would bug me to death if i tried to drift/grip drive it.

oil pickup height
oil pump output
redline/piston speed
91mm STROKE, WTF MATE!

i like the 79mm stroke of the 1jz for the higher rpm potential and longevity... plus the hydrofan ;)

teh hydrofan is the best....i wonder if you can do a swap into a 7m.... might have to do some research

whats a hydrofan?

a hydrofan uses Fan fluid. its the mostest efficient fan ever installed on a supra... i beleive it moves like 4200cfm, more than the MKIV clutch fan. the cool thing s, its quieter and more efficient than the MK3 fan, and its more reliable as there is no clutch to burn out or lock up which will cause a clutch fan to explode at high rpm. its pretty sweet, i would get one if i could. id actually want to install it and the entire hydrofan control ecu too.

but HOW does it work? what propels the fan fluid? and why does it need a control computer?

jeeeeesus.

there is a hydraulic pump built into the input shaft of the 1jzgte water pump. its similar in function to the power steering pump. it draws ATF in to the pump and is discharged underpressure into a hose, then into the fan hub. there are vanes in the fan hub which trap the fluid passing through the outer circumference of the housing, and it turns the shaft which then turns the fan blade. then the fluid exits the drive housing of the fan, enters a fluid cooler and is routed to the bumper area, and is then returned to the resivoir. there are solenoids or steppers built into the hydraulic pump that will control the fluid volume output depending on varying input parameters that are sent to the hydrofan ecu. the hydro fan ecu can then vary the fluid volume/pressure which will, in turn, change the rpm of the fan. so while the car is idling, the fan will not be running full force, and vice versa.

imma install one onto a 7m....hahaha its gonna take some time

you should, you could probably run it off a power steerin gpump.. i dont know what the output of a PS pump is like though, if its higher volume/pressure or lower. but thatd be cool to find out, eh.

what about a direct fan? granted you'll lose a little hp but it will run cooler when the motor needs to be cooled right?

if i added an lsd..a lil bit more power and suspension tuning my crappy lil v6 maro could be a somewhat decent drift car. i've messed around with it a few times.

hydro fan > all

i love mine

yeah, good thinking. i never really thought of a MK2 as being a good drift-unit. if they werent so hideous, id do it ;) lol.. seriously though, i would love to build a beater hard-top MK3 w/ a 1jz swap, or even a 1ggte swap and drift it. ive been to two D-days in a row, and no one has been out there in a MK3. i could turn the florida drift scene on its ear if i showed up w/ a supra, of any kind. 240's and corolla's arent the only cars that can drift.


Exactly what im trying to do, the car is finally running but dont have a job to get into events(need money for tires)??? Are u on floridadrift.com??? There having one on january 21st i believe at orlando speed world.Im in there supradr1ft786, have the red mk3

heres my baby http://www.ncda.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1141 I love sliding this thing! I have owned this car since i was 18 bought it off an old couple( wife daily drove it got arthritus in her left knee). Car was garauge kept every sense they bought it (origanal owners). Car only had 60,000 miles on it when I bought it. I read about the 7ms having problems with thier head gaskets by 75,000 miles so I pulled that bitch and re-ringed it replaced all barings and seals. Came na with tems and lsd not to mention the power driver seat with adjustable lumbars and all that good shit. I took out most of the interior, tems, drivers seat, and all ac components to reduce wieght a little(bitch is heavy) Took it down to the dump and put it on the scale wieghed in at 3480. Subtract the three hundred pounds me and my passenger wieghed combined and it was a woping 3180! Stoked! I did the power to wieght math and I only have to run sixty more horses than thos stupid 240's to have the same power to weight ratio :tweetz: Now all I got to do is finish my conversion on the 7mge for turbo and it will be on!

Upgrades
Bilstien gas shocks (adj. shock purches)
H&R springs (could be better)
Gymkhana Motor Sports Strut tower braces
Intake
Exhaust
JZ-A80 wheels (16x8 f 16x9 r)
Rebuilt motor (shoulda just got a 7mgte but oh well)
ACT Racing Clutch

I did the power to wieght math and I only have to run sixty more horses than thos stupid 240's to have the same power to weight ratio
Stupid 240's dude you better redo you math cuz people are dropping sr20's and rb series motors in 240's left and right including myself if you want a light toyota buy an ae86 and turbocharge it and leave the supra the chick getter it is and plus if you are just worried about power then swap in a 7mgte there are a lot more important aspects to drifting than just power, like skill. plus my 1st supra was a 87 n/a 5speed hard top and it was a great drift car in damn near stock form. plus the roads around me are narrow and extremely curvy lots of uphills and down hills so the 7mge was perfect becuz there was no turbo lag. i would be more worried on upgrading your suspension and bracing than trying to get your weight down, at first at least.

a 7m in an ae86 would seriously **** up the weight distribution.

not to mention an mk3 is a pretty good option for a drift car, as there is enough aftermarket support to tune it to perfection.

if you can't deal w/ the extra weight of an mk3, you've got a lot to learn, if you've got coilover, try softening 'em up a bit, and learn how to throw the weight around. I could inertia drift my car all day back when I had cut springs. coilovers, chassis support, bushings, lsd, and extra power arent really ever needed, they just make things a lot easier to kick it sideways.

but it dont matter, as I've switched to grip now.

240's are stupid... they are poorly engineered from the get-go.

seats are like park benches and hurt you back more than support you
Dash design is horrible and anti-ergonomic
gauge cluster is spartan and the LED's for warning lights are substandard
4 lug hubs are cheap and weak
small diameter rotors and single piston calipers do wonders for not stopping
Tension rods on the front suspension are the first things to let go when making drifting mistakes
lack of double wishbone design fails to keep suspension geometry ideal
dainty stock rear end is prone to failure and rarely comes with LSD

and the fact that 240's are $300 these days isnt helping promote drifting/touge as an activity but more of a Fashion statement. they are the new age Cororra since they are cheap and plentiful so its easy to learn the drift technique.

and i dont want to hear ANY bullshit about the supra being to heavy and big to drift. watch the Rhys millen GTO drift, or the F-bodies drift, or the Fox body mustangs drift. not only are they solid axle, they are big, long and bulky. if they can do it, theres no reason a MK3 cant drift.

damn fluby that hurt, i was giving him s*it about the 7m powered 86, all cars have a down side even supras, rx-7, skylines and evos and my beloved 240. supras acutally make great drifters because they have the power to make up for the weight(like the gto and the f bodys) i was just saying the guy needs to look in to himself the car was great from the get go. now a 4ag 20 valve ae86 is just f*cking awesome. dude i love old school imports all of them. and my 240 is just one of my favorites, everything you said about the 240 is true but i still like it, it was the first cars i got after i hit rock bottom and got out of the hospital that handled like that, i got my 1st supra a couple of months after the 240 and i drove them both equally most of the cars downsides have been replaced, so it is just almost what i want it to be.

they are ok for what they are, and thats how you have to look at it... its people who put them up on a pedestal like they are the end all-be all of cars that need taken down a peg or two. you seem like you are pretty sensable about the whole thing and arent misled by the bandwagon mentality... 240's have a significant amount of flaws that cant simply be overlooked. there is a good deal of tunability to them all though... they are very mod-friendly and that helps make up for their short comings.

the 20v swapped corollas are ok. they are fun for what they are... but they are severely underpowered. i cant imagine trying to really drift any SR5 corolla or even a GTS w/ the efi. the 20v helps out Alot... but when i go to the D-Days... the corollas perform horribly. i see STOCK-as-balls 240's w/ stock KA's and welded diffs out drift the Madd Tyte JDM corollas. the most common thing i see is that people with the money cant drift worth a damn... those who can drift dont have the money to build purpose built rigs. even the sponsored cars ****ed up and went off the track more than some of the no-name guys w/ stock KA powered cars that looked like ass.

anyone looking to do some Touge (dont call it grip driving... NORMAL driving is grip driving), should look into an FC3S. i have a GTU-s. its a limited edition model that is stripped down from the factory with TurboII suspension and brakes, aluminum hood, power accesory deletes, revised gear ratios, 4.30 VLSD, etc... all it took was 17x8/17x9 w/ big tires to realize full potential. My stock RX7 with wheels/tires was hanging with cars with full suspension. even w/ the NA 13b, it still has great power to pull out of the turns; the revised gear set and the 4.30 vlsd help alot over the normal NA's.

true that i loved my fc, and my fb it's just so damn clean but it has the 12a

put an S5 13b in it, that FB will haul ass then.. just make sure you put some bigger wheels and tires on it than what comes stock... 13's and 14's are usless on FB's.

plan on it. 13's are pretty 80's though.

ummm, touge is grip most of the time...

if you cant grip race touge, you shouldnt be drifting on them.


and I love how rev-happy rotories are. my buddy just got his n/a tuned to 280 rwhp, and we took it down to portland to break in the engine, we hit 110+ befor 4k(we decided to put a 4k rpm cap while breaking in the engine)

only problems are the parts are so damn high they act like they're supra turbos or something.

damn fluby that hurt, i was giving him s*it about the 7m powered 86, all cars have a down side even supras, rx-7, skylines and evos and my beloved 240. supras acutally make great drifters because they have the power to make up for the weight(like the gto and the f bodys) i was just saying the guy needs to look in to himself the car was great from the get go. now a 4ag 20 valve ae86 is just f*cking awesome. dude i love old school imports all of them. and my 240 is just one of my favorites, everything you said about the 240 is true but i still like it, it was the first cars i got after i hit rock bottom and got out of the hospital that handled like that, i got my 1st supra a couple of months after the 240 and i drove them both equally most of the cars downsides have been replaced, so it is just almost what i want it to be.

Never gonna get an ae86. I knew the weight issuse with this car when I bought it. Its no problem to throw that weight around I actually think it makes it a little easier. not to mention the length of the wheel base makes it sorta hard to spin out but not impossible. I will say though that 240sx with rb26 may be fast but the wieght transfer is most likely thrown off due to the extra front wieght thats gonna cause more understeer. Those damn things are no doubt almost impossible to keep up with though if drivin right.

I still never changing though one day this damn things gonna have an 2jz in it (some how even if I gotta jack it ahahahahaha :bs: )

www.2jzswap.com check out andrew montebiro's 240sx here in my home town of redding (tech 2 motorsports) Its gota 2jz swaped into it things off the chain!

[QUOTE=gymkhanainc]. Its no problem to throw that weight around I actually think it makes it a little easier. not to mention the length of the wheel base makes it sorta hard to spin out but not impossible.
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i totally agree but i would own an 86. i love old school imports.

. Its no problem to throw that weight around I actually think it makes it a little easier. not to mention the length of the wheel base makes it sorta hard to spin out but not impossible.

i totally agree but i would own an 86. i love old school imports.


I'm gettin me a '74 celica pretty soon

when i bought my land i discovered an 77 celica back in the woods, it still had the 18rc in it and the 4-speed tranny. car was rusted in half though.

i totally agree but i would own an 86. i love old school imports.

Yeah can't argue thier they do have some of the best wieght transfer too. I think they are 50/50 perfect for dori

add the 20valve 4ag and some bracing for the firewall and some supports and you're set or just buy a mk3.

Yeah can't argue thier they do have some of the best wieght transfer too. I think they are 50/50 perfect for dori

that is the worst mistake made by people out there. 50/50 IS NOT good for drifting, the ideal weight disrtibution is close to 60/40.



http://www.kungfutouge.com

heres a site that has A LOT of good info about drifting/touge.

read, learn, enjoy.

there are some crazy characters there, and they're kinda hardcore, so dont go asking noob questions w/out searching first.

that is the worst mistake made by people out there. 50/50 IS NOT good for drifting, the ideal weight disrtibution is close to 60/40.



http://www.kungfutouge.com

heres a site that has A LOT of good info about drifting/touge.

read, learn, enjoy.

there are some crazy characters there, and they're kinda hardcore, so dont go asking noob questions w/out searching first.

LoL kungfutouge.com eh you must remember that touge and drifting are two seprate sports so how would that site teach you about drifting? I will tell you what go rent drift bible then get back to me on this subject after you are done watching it. The drift king will straighten you out on this subject.

LoL kungfutouge.com eh you must remember that touge and drifting are two seprate sports so how would that site teach you about drifting? I will tell you what go rent drift bible then get back to me on this subject after you are done watching it. The drift king will straighten you out on this subject.


LOL

they're actually just a bunch of race enthusiasts.

its not centered around touge, thats just the name of the site.

I use to live by the drift bible as my only source of info, but these people go WAY further in depth about how to tune your car, and the way you drive.

we actually hold a monthly gymkhana at PIR, but its actually mainly sponsored by unnatural inc.

click the banner at the bottom of the site for their site, or just go to the events section at KFT.

and yes, while they're commonly associated w/ each other, I know drifting and touge are completely different.

LOL

they're actually just a bunch of race enthusiasts.

its not centered around touge, thats just the name of the site.

I use to live by the drift bible as my only source of info, but these people go WAY further in depth about how to tune your car, and the way you drive.

we actually hold a monthly gymkhana at PIR, but its actually mainly sponsored by unnatural inc.

click the banner at the bottom of the site for their site, or just go to the events section at KFT.

and yes, while they're commonly associated w/ each other, I know drifting and touge are completely different.

hahaha okay got ya and no drift bible isn't the only place I get my info from I get info from drivers that test products (my products). Also know things from personal experience (been drifting for 2 - 3 years now) The Drift bible is one of the sources where I heard that 50/50 was a good wieght distribution and thats why most pick the corolla for thier first drifter. Thats all i was trying to say. Sorry if that got lost in my post I do that alot. I will check your site out though sounds resorcefull :respekt:

haha, ya, the 'rollas a good beginner drift car, but as your skills progress, it becomes a little too blunt, if you get my meaning.

Hella thats why I am never gonna get one hahaha. Anyways man I went to that site whens the next gymkhana event?

well, its kinda up in the air because the event planning just switched over from kicky fast to unnatural, so theres some confusion going on right now.

probably gonna happen next month though. check the schedual in the events section.

http://www.kungfutouge.com//phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=18

here

I think for my drift car and I of all can not believe it. But for a drift car..., one of those old silver and blue shelby dodge daytona's. I think that car would run circles around a celica. If that doesn't instigate something, I am not sure anything will. It's just my opinion and there is a reason it is free.

okay............. anyway thanks supraman. Supramacist you can love any drift car you want cuase damnit even people say an mkIII will never drift! stupid mother fu@#$ers! I can't belive people actually think like that. If an old school heavy assssssssss v8 can drift then why can't any rear wheel drive drift am I right?!?

mine will drift if i make it but i do not want to.

my tires cost to much money.

hahahaha thats is the problem with these cars. So you get one of them daytonas yet? might save you some money on the rubber eh?

No sir i'm going home to Nissan when I'm done with this supra. I need a truck and a bike to go fast on. maybe I need to sell my supra.

and what get a 300zx and change the brakes and rotors non-stop?

Brakes and rotors take the morning or the afternoon. The supra is a money pit, with no bottom it would seem.

An older model z car is what I want. my old lady is not going to be happy ever as long as I have this car. She would be much more tolerant if we were in a z car.

get a hardbody nissan pickup for a drift bitch.

I feel you in the pick up. my 95 xe x cab was the shit with low profiles. I'd beat a 6 cyl mustang everytime.

my drift car
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d56/pandapandared/IMG_6575-1.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d56/pandapandared/IMG_6517-1.jpg :woowoo: :woowoo: :woowoo: :woowoo:

gettin another supra soon

wewt

If i could find one of these in good nick, it would make a good drift car.
The 1.6 lost it's arse end easy. But they also came in a 2.8i and 3.0 version.
Good fun but the pillars holding the doors just rotted for fun.


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Ford Capri.Uk Model.