I find it humorous that as soon as Elliot posted the fact about Ryan being kicked off the Tucson track for the remainder of the year for crossing the centerline, that he had the thread closed! Regardless there was an intelligent post about a mustang Pro 5.0 driver being killed when his car got out of the groove and crossed the centerline. Some less than experienced people state, "well, that car makes 2500hp". To this, let me say, those cars ALSO have twice the tire, twice the chassis, twice the safety equipment, and 10X the experience. When is the last time you have seen them prep the centerline at the track???? There is a reason the experienced people call being out of the groove being in the marbles....because that is what it is like when you get out of the groove with a high horsepower car that is fighting for traction the whole run anyway. No experienced drag racer would say that run wasn't reckless and irresponsible. Ryans response was that there is only one other person that can comment on a car like that (referring to Paul Efantis). He thinks that since Paul hasn't posted he is on his side...... I sincerely doubt this is the case....Paul is an intelligent and experienced drag racer, and I have watched him lift DOZENS of times when the car gets loose.....he knows better! Ryan also pointed out that anything can happen at any E.T. at any time....absolutely correct! These cars however are alot slower, and things happen much slower. Here is an idea!!! Aggrivate the situation by being out of control waiting for something like that to happen as well!

Was Ryan kicked off the Tucson track for the rest of the year for the above mentioned reason? Absolutely..... according to officials at SIR dragstrip in Tuscon. Tech officials approached Saad at the track on a friday night test and tune thinking Saads silver car was Ryans. The official noticed Saad standing near the car and asked him...."Is this your car?" Saad said..."Yes", the official said Oh...o.k. When asked why, his response was "I thought this was Ryans car, and was going to ask him to leave!" The official stated that " Ryan was banned for crossing the centerline and taking out timing markers, and the main reason he was banned was becuase his attitude in the matter was that of....Oh well......"

Jason, Do you have video?

I don't have the video...to be honest the video doesn't really show how reckless the run was. I was standing at the starting line when he made the pass....he should have lifted at 200'.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/wotmstore_1863_9511459

Here's the video: http://homepage.mac.com/rdwoon/NHRA8.99Pass.mov

IMO it looks like he should have lifted considering he was in front of the other car and risked crossing in front of the other car and collecting both up. I guess kudos for finally getting it to straighten out but I think he should have lifted to be on the safe side. Just my opinion.

I don't do that crap anymore. The one pass just isn't worth your life or someone elses, or at minimum considerable damage to your car. I always lift when it gets squirly. I've had that happen several times but never crossed the center line.

Chris.

I don't do that crap anymore. The one pass just isn't worth your life or someone elses, or at minimum considerable damage to your car. I always lift when it gets squirly. I've had that happen several times but never crossed the center line.

Chris.

I agree with you 100% Chris. Ryan just thinks he is being picked on, but the truth is, I have seen this happen many times and so far...luckily the guy that crashed was ahead of the guy in the other lane becuase the other car had to lift early! Lingenfelter, Tirso, Ara, Steph, Scranton, Abel, Manni Cruz, Ben Mah, etc.... etc.... It's just plain irresponsible!

I was standing by Jason, and I thought for sure that car was going in the wall. I have not seen video footage yet that illustrates how out of control it looked. Better to lift and race another day. You don't always pull off a save like that, and you are responsible for your own safety along with the guy in the other lane, track workers, etc.


John

But hey, he did run an 8.9979999999:) Can we just call it a 9.0 since
Ryan likes to round the numbers so much:)

Well, he got in a good pass with the 8.99 and he was lucky enough and skilled enough to drive out of it. You can only be lucky for so long however.

But hey, he did run an 8.9979999999:) Can we just call it a 9.0 since
Ryan likes to round the numbers so much:)


OT, Thanks for the use of your trailer and tools in Vegas! Let me know if you need any help at the Supra meet down there.


John

Was that a drag race or a drifting contest?

But hey, he did run an 8.9979999999:) Can we just call it a 9.0 since
Ryan likes to round the numbers so much:)


This is the funniest post so far!!!LOLOLOLOLOL :cheers:

Was that a drag race or a drifting contest?


This is the 2nd funniest post so far!:):)

This is the 2nd funniest post so far!:):)


I think it is funnier than Saad's!! But Ryan's rules of rounding are quite comical!

I think it is funnier than Saad's!! But Ryan's rules of rounding are quite comical!

Believe me....it was a very tough call!!!!LOL

OT, Thanks for the use of your trailer and tools in Vegas! Let me know if you need any help at the Supra meet down there.


John


Anytime John. Look forward to seeing you again in Vegas.

I think Ryan just proved the inverse relationship between balls and brains

looked a little reckless to me. i just hope he doesnt hurt someone

Sounds like more spouting about Woon and his car. I've seen the video and I've seen some of his runs and a lot of them are safer and quicker then the other cars out there. How many times has he crossed lanes? I'm not naming names but I know there are others crossing lanes out there. No one is complaing about them.

What are you worried about getting beat or safety? I don't see anyone other then Jason spouting untruths about safety. Woon has a legal NHRA license to race his car and his safety is up to date in all aspects. If you feel unsafe it is your right not to race him or line up to him. If you see him in competition you can choose to forfeit. No one will shame you for it, the chances of you winning is not likely anyways. Woon has proven himself in competition to be a winner plain and simple.

Safety complaints can be taken in various manners, Jason you of all people can't talk much, is your flexplate sfi approved? Is your nitrous system safe, shooting that headlight out the front of the car one day could possibly have the headlight hit someone. I don't see room to talk here.

PS: Complaining about safety on touching centerline is nothing much, there are multiple ways of bringing a car back in your own lane, not all drivers like to abrubtly shut a car off in a run to pull the car back into the lane or in the groove, sometimes an abrupt shutdown will make a run worse then help control the vehicle.

Sounds like more spouting about Woon and his car. I've seen the video and I've seen some of his runs and a lot of them are safer and quicker then the other cars out there. How many times has he crossed lanes? I'm not naming names but I know there are others crossing lanes out there. No one is complaing about them.

What are you worried about getting beat or safety? I don't see anyone other then Jason spouting untruths about safety. Woon has a legal NHRA license to race his car and his safety is up to date in all aspects. If you feel unsafe it is your right not to race him or line up to him. If you see him in competition you can choose to forfeit. No one will shame you for it, the chances of you winning is not likely anyways. Woon has proven himself in competition to be a winner plain and simple.

Safety complaints can be taken in various manners, Jason you of all people can't talk much, is your flexplate sfi approved? Is your nitrous system safe, shooting that headlight out the front of the car one day could possibly have the headlight hit someone. I don't see room to talk here.

PS: Complaining about safety on touching centerline is nothing much, there are multiple ways of bringing a car back in your own lane, not all drivers like to abrubtly shut a car off in a run to pull the car back into the lane or in the groove, sometimes an abrupt shutdown will make a run worse then help control the vehicle.

Yes...all of my safety equipment (including my SFI flywheel) is up to date. The safety in question here has nothing to do with Ryans safety, and more to do with the safety of others on the track.

Ryan has a liscense? Whooopeeee, so do I, do you know what it takes to get one???? Doesn't mean you are a competant driver, doesn't mean you know how to use your head. I personally don't know of anyone who has crossed the centerline and stayed in it.....no ONE!

Name one car out there that has made a pass anywhere close to that out of control.....just one!

Me....worried about getting beat by woon??? Want to put some cash on that race??????

[Whooopeeee, so do I, do you know what it takes to get one????
Me....worried about getting beat by woon??? Want to put some cash on that race??????[/QUOTE]

Look I'm not going to name anybody here or embarass them, the only one doing the embarrasment is you and that you're doing to yourself.

Jason do you realize that I am the manager and owner of multiple championship race programs, of course i know how to get a license. I have worked with numerous champions and rookie of year winners. The fact that you would wonder if I even know how to get a license shows your ignorance.

As far as a bet, I would take that anytime. I just don't got time to try and arrange a bet on your terms, the terms and conditions change to much and we don't have the time to wait till you get your car running. By then I could be retired.

[Whooopeeee, so do I, do you know what it takes to get one????
Me....worried about getting beat by woon??? Want to put some cash on that race??????

Look I'm not going to name anybody here or embarass them, the only one doing the embarrasment is you and that you're doing to yourself.

Jason do you realize that I am the manager and owner of multiple championship race programs, of course i know how to get a license. I have worked with numerous champions and rookie of year winners. The fact that you would wonder if I even know how to get a license shows your ignorance.

As far as a bet, I would take that anytime. I just don't got time to try and arrange a bet on your terms, the terms and conditions change to much and we don't have the time to wait till you get your car running. By then I could be retired.[/QUOTE]

Nero, why don't you show the video to your drivers and ask them what they think? Do you think Brad or vince or ED would stay on the throttle with half of their car in the other lane???? NOT. The only ignorance involved in the post was the fact that you pointed out "Ryan has a liscense" as some sort of proof he knows what he is doing. Now go on and run your "Multiple championship race teams" Yeah making a bet with you is pretty lame.....you never take them until after you win...then wonder why no one pays! Keep up the good work....See you in E-town!

P.S. You aren't naming any names...because you don't have any...nice try though! Also, Ryans copy and paste e-mail left out the fact that I never said you said the block was filled. However you did infact tell me and Saad you sold him a spool for his car!

Nero, you and I both know that Ryan called you and asked you to post for him. Just like he used to do with me before he stole from me and I told him that I wanted nothing more to do with him. Now you have done that and good for you and your winning race teams. Your promoting your engine that is in his car and I do not blame you one bit. Remember, it was me that made him admit that he had your motor in his car:)

Also, just because you cut the checks for the teams does not mean you know the first thing about driving, and you don't by the way:)

Nero, you and I both know that Ryan called you and asked you to post for him. Just like he used to do with me before he stole from me and I told him that I wanted nothing more to do with him. Now you have done that and good for you and your winning race teams. Your promoting your engine that is in his car and I do not blame you one bit. Remember, it was me that made him admit that he had your motor in his car:)

Also, just because you cut the checks for the teams does not mean you know the first thing about driving, and you don't by the way:)

LOL!!!!!!!!:)
I was thinking the exact same thing!

What's up guys? Just heard about the site from Jason.

Interesting stuff going on these days huh? Ryan closes the thread right after i post about his testing mishap. Strange isn't it? If he has nothing to hide then how come he closes it so fast and then blocks me from his area? What a little ass muncher! Next time i see him i will not be so cordial that's for sure.

Counting down the days until SILV05 :eusa_danc

ya, none of use can see it:) I think its all very funny myself. I'm looking forward to seeing Dana's car run, tell him I said good luck!

Your promoting your engine that is in his car and I do not blame you one bit. Remember, it was me that made him admit that he had your motor in his car:)

Also, just because you cut the checks for the teams does not mean you know the first thing about driving, and you don't by the way:)

Saad I'd be happy to sell you a motor to. I can admit I do support and push our stuff. The support though is all around for the car. If you need help I'd be happy to offer my advice based on my experience. I'm not sure what you guys keep hearing about what Woon's running in his car or why you should care so much. The combination is right on his website, I see no reason why you guys keep "saying" someone said this or that.

If you want to know for the record, Woon doesn't have a spool, he has a LSD in the car. His block is also not filled or 1/2 filled or anything else, its a full street motor that is $7800 on my website for reference. I can tell you I did get a call from Jason S about motors and I was happy to offer up my experiecne and say that Woon will need a 1/2 filled block if he continues to make more and more horsepower. I never said he has one.

As far as my drivers, well we've black tracked a full slick on the pro rwd cars down the track in Denver in 2004 with Brad, then in 2005 with Vince when he ran Steph. Unfortunately sliding a 6 second car side to side is not the best thing for the car, but sometimes you gotta push the envelope. Nothing happened when Vince black tracked the car other then the win light coming on.

In all honesty Jason you should stop worrying about what others have and worry about your own stuff. That's why your lacking championships in your portfolio.

In all honesty Jason you should stop worrying about what others have and worry about your own stuff. That's why your lacking championships in your portfolio.


Ouch!! :iono:


Nero.... don't you have a 4th PRO RWD car you should be building?

If you want to know for the record, Woon doesn't have a spool, he has a LSD in the car. His block is also not filled or 1/2 filled or anything else, its a full street motor that is $7800 on my website for reference. I can tell you I did get a call from Jason S about motors and I was happy to offer up my experiecne and say that Woon will need a 1/2 filled block if he continues to make more and more horsepower. I never said he has one.

As far as my drivers, well we've black tracked a full slick on the pro rwd cars down the track in Denver in 2004 with Brad, then in 2005 with Vince when he ran Steph. Unfortunately sliding a 6 second car side to side is not the best thing for the car, but sometimes you gotta push the envelope. Nothing happened when Vince black tracked the car other then the win light coming on.

In all honesty Jason you should stop worrying about what others have and worry about your own stuff. That's why your lacking championships in your portfolio.

Nero, as I stated.....ask your drivers if they would stay in it when half their car is across the centerline, and how they would feel about racing someone that did. I have seen your boys lift more than ANY of the other ProRWD drivers due to getting loose and out of the groove. WHo do you really think you are kidding here?
As far as a championship goes, I personally don't field a car trying to go after one, I have more important things to do...remember I don't live at home with MOM (like you)...I am married with two wonderful children to spend time with. I stick to helping the other guys in the Pro class (that have already won multiple championships!):):)

Saad I'd be happy to sell you a motor to. I can admit I do support and push our stuff. The support though is all around for the car. If you need help I'd be happy to offer my advice based on my experience. I'm not sure what you guys keep hearing about what Woon's running in his car or why you should care so much. The combination is right on his website, I see no reason why you guys keep "saying" someone said this or that.

If you want to know for the record, Woon doesn't have a spool, he has a LSD in the car. His block is also not filled or 1/2 filled or anything else, its a full street motor that is $7800 on my website for reference. I can tell you I did get a call from Jason S about motors and I was happy to offer up my experiecne and say that Woon will need a 1/2 filled block if he continues to make more and more horsepower. I never said he has one.

As far as my drivers, well we've black tracked a full slick on the pro rwd cars down the track in Denver in 2004 with Brad, then in 2005 with Vince when he ran Steph. Unfortunately sliding a 6 second car side to side is not the best thing for the car, but sometimes you gotta push the envelope. Nothing happened when Vince black tracked the car other then the win light coming on. .

You see this is what you are missing Nero. There is no win for someone that crosses the center line once let alone twice in a single pass. This was done during qualifying and NHRA did NOT COUNT THE TIME. As for me buying one of your engines, why would I need to do that when I build a better motor and I do it myself. That is something that both you and Ryan can not say :thumbup:

Jason you are a real big man, why dont you go fix your crappy cdi's that dont work.

You have really no room to talk about anything in racing.

I will put money up right now that Woon will win a race.

U heard it here, I am putting my own money down on the race. How much do you want to bet Jason. No backing out now as you keep saying we back out or do not bet.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Nero, remember I don't live at home with MOM (like you)...:)



Wait.... Nero lives at home with his Mommy? With all his millions of dollars.... I know you have to be kidding... right? Let's hope!!

why dont you go fix your crappy cdi's that dont work.


Ouch.... got ya there!

I have more important things to do...remember I don't live at home with MOM (like you)...I am married with two wonderful children to spend time with. I stick to helping the other guys in the Pro class (that have already won multiple championships!):):)

My drivers lift to save equipment a pro car and a street car are different. The Supra we almost never lift on that type of car. As far as someone crossing centerline on us, its happened and I'm sure it won't be the first or the last time. Doesn't mean I tried to get that driver banned from competition or whine about it. It happened and ohh well, that's why you sign a waiver at the gate.

Jason I see you got better things to do, posting on forums about how you rule the engine world and not actually being able to follow that up with reality are way better.

Saad - you have a "better" motor then Titan does? I'm not going to argue that you do or don't that's an opionated statement. All I can say is that Woon's car is quicker then your's to date. It has my motor in it, and its a full street motor not a race motor. My Street Tire Supra has a number of championships which shows its reliability as well as has set numerous mph and e/t records which shows its power potential. The Pro RWD cars all have MPH and E/T records and are the only ones to break into the sub 6.50's. I'm unsure of what qualifies as a better motor can you please educate me? (Jason we don't need to hear about above, below, side to side and behind the curve, I still don't know where my curve is, I think its a slider)

Jason you are a real big man, why dont you go fix your crappy cdi's that dont work.

You have really no room to talk about anything in racing.

I will put money up right now that Woon will win a race.

U heard it here, I am putting my own money down on the race. How much do you want to bet Jason. No backing out now as you keep saying we back out or do not bet.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

First, I don't make CDI's

Second I am sure Ryan will "win a race" somewhere, even if he has to lie about his competitors car being not being a "street car" when it is more of a street car than his.......You need to be more specific!

Third - Do you live with your mommy tooo????? Be honest.....no wooning!:):)

Jason you are a real big man, why dont you go fix your crappy cdi's that dont work.

You have really no room to talk about anything in racing.

I will put money up right now that Woon will win a race.

U heard it here, I am putting my own money down on the race. How much do you want to bet Jason. No backing out now as you keep saying we back out or do not bet.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

What the hell does that mean Bottle? What race are you talking about? At least propose a race that we can bet on. As for CDI's, they do not belong to Jason and I have one on my Silver car and it has been fine for over a year now.

My drivers lift to save equipment a pro car and a street car are different. The Supra we almost never lift on that type of car. As far as someone crossing centerline on us, its happened and I'm sure it won't be the first or the last time. Doesn't mean I tried to get that driver banned from competition or whine about it. It happened and ohh well, that's why you sign a waiver at the gate.





Nero, I never really thought you were that thick headed. Did that driver stay in it when he crossed????? NO! And how is saving a $100k pro car and a $100k street car any different??? BUll shit Gary wouldn't lift if he crossed the centerline!!!!

First, I don't make CDI's

Second I am sure Ryan will "win a race" somewhere, even if he has to lie about his competitors car being not being a "street car" when it is more of a street car than his.......You need to be more specific!

Third - Do you live with your mommy tooo????? Be honest.....no wooning!:):)


Listen here, I am placing a bet with you and you are the one that being a chicken now. Lets go you vs woon or even ur boy saad vs woon, I dont care either one. I dont even have to ask woon I am sure he will race cause he is a true sportsman and racer. Lets go $1000.00 dollars cash money on the table.

And yes Jason I live with my Mom, I dont see what this has to do with the bet or anything. I guess I have a lot of respect for my family and they did not kick me out like ur parents probably did because of how you are.

And for the cdi is a product used to say goes hand in hand with the EMS, now it just messes up and u cant stand behind ur own product. Not does any of the race teams use the CDI with the EMS cause the company u work with wont fix the problem.

What the hell does that mean Bottle? What race are you talking about? At least propose a race that we can bet on. As for CDI's, they do not belong to Jason and I have one on my Silver car and it has been fine for over a year now.


Saad any race. You vs woon or jason vs woon.

As for the cdi you might want to take that out of your car ASAP with all the returns that are on that item. It might be one of your problems. Go smell the box it probably smells like it has been burning.

And yes Jason I live with my Mom, I dont see what this has to do with the bet or anything. I guess I have a lot of respect for my family and they did not kick me out like ur parents probably did because of how you are.



So your advice to me is that I should be 35 (which....I am) and my wife and kids should be living at home with my parents??? Good advice you run with that!

Listen here, I am placing a bet with you and you are the one that being a chicken now. Lets go you vs woon or even ur boy saad vs woon, I dont care either one. I dont even have to ask woon I am sure he will race cause he is a true sportsman and racer. Lets go $1000.00 dollars cash money on the table.



No one is "being chicken" read your post! You said you would bet he would win a race, I don't doubt that he will someday! Like I said, you need to be more specific!

First, I don't make CDI's

Third - Do you live with your mommy tooo????? Be honest.....no wooning!:):)

I currently reside with my parents, me and bottle do. Yes. We also own more properties around town which we could live in then you probably do in Cali. My personal business is my personal business. If you want to chat about your kids and side track the fact that you've got holes in that championship calendar then let me know. Last I checked a 2jz also made more HP then anything else in sport compact at the current time.

Ok jason lets lay down the rules for this bet then.

And for the cdi is a product used to say goes hand in hand with the EMS, now it just messes up and u cant stand behind ur own product. Not does any of the race teams use the CDI with the EMS cause the company u work with wont fix the problem.

CDI's and EMS have nothing in common whatsoever 2 different designers, 2 different builds....completely. As for fixing the "problem" while 8% is not a good failure number, that is what AEM was getting on the CDI, AEM decided to quite selling the product until the issue could be figured out. EVERY CDI that failed was warrantied by AEM, and will continue to be. In case you were wondering, the reason the sales were so good with the CDI's, it was becuase so many people were having problems with MSD and refuse to use them. So apparently there is more to making them than just putting up a bunch of desks in a building, getting some phone lines, and selling other peoples product at a 2% margin!:)

Saad any race. You vs woon or jason vs woon.

As for the cdi you might want to take that out of your car ASAP with all the returns that are on that item. It might be one of your problems. Go smell the box it probably smells like it has been burning.

Well Bottle thank you for your advise but unless the CDI is connected to my axle shafts I think your a bit off target. My problem is that I have not gutted my car like Ryan has and it is just very heavy.

As for the bet, will you be in Vegas? If so lets set it up, let me know.

I currently reside with my parents, me and bottle do. Yes. We also own more properties around town which we could live in then you probably do in Cali. My personal business is my personal business. If you want to chat about your kids and side track the fact that you've got holes in that championship calendar then let me know. Last I checked a 2jz also made more HP then anything else in sport compact at the current time.


Soooo, you not only live with your parents, but you live with your brother, and partner! Yet you "could" be living in your own home.......never mind....please don't answer that.....I really don't want to know why that would be.:):)

Ok jason lets lay down the rules for this bet then.

Your going to be in Vegas? Yes, Saad will handle all the details.

CDI's and EMS have nothing in common whatsoever 2 different designers, 2 different builds....completely. As for fixing the "problem" while 8% is not a good failure number, that is what AEM was getting on the CDI, AEM decided to quite selling the product until the issue could be figured out. EVERY CDI that failed was warrantied by AEM, and will continue to be. In case you were wondering, the reason the sales were so good with the CDI's, it was becuase so many people were having problems with MSD and refuse to use them. So apparently there is more to making them than just putting up a bunch of desks in a building, getting some phone lines, and selling other peoples product at a 2% margin!:)


If the MSD Unit is so bad why does the AEM race car use it?

There is more to this company then just a bunch of desks, we have a great sales staff, and a great bunch of customers. There are many companes that have come and gone in the past so I think there is more then just a bunch of desks and selling other brands involved here. If it where so easy jason you should leave AEM and start ur own business.

Shut up or put up.

Your going to be in Vegas? Yes, Saad will handle all the details.

Jason you said you wanted to bet, lets make this public so all the fans know who really will be backing out of this bet.

Lets lay the rules down here. Who is racing who, the amount, how it will be paid, etc...

I do not have plans to go to the vegas meet at the current time but if I dont go my money will be there regardless, I will hand it to someone to bring to the event.

Nero, I never really thought you were that thick headed. Did that driver stay in it when he crossed????? NO! And how is saving a $100k pro car and a $100k street car any different??? BUll shit Gary wouldn't lift if he crossed the centerline!!!!

We've never crossed center line, and if your refering to Woon he didn't cross centerline in the manner your speaking. He touched the centerline and went over (yes he crossed and NHRA dq'ed the run) but as you see in the video he brought it back into his lane. He didn't cross over like what happened to Shep at the nopi race with the Z-car. Big differences there

Thanks

If the MSD Unit is so bad why does the AEM race car use it?

There is more to this company then just a bunch of desks, we have a great sales staff, and a great bunch of customers. There are many companes that have come and gone in the past so I think there is more then just a bunch of desks and selling other brands involved here. If it where so easy jason you should leave AEM and start ur own business.

Shut up or put up.

The race team runs the MSD for the two step control, it is a bit tighter than the one in the EMS.
I never said I had any problems with MSD ever...in fact, I personally have never had one fail, I have never had one of the AEM CDI's fail on me either. I am just letting you know what people have told me.

As for your business, why would you think I was talking about you???:):):)

I'm not sure why you seem all bent out of shape, must be a guilty conscience:):)

You know I like you guys....I am incredibly happy to have you here posting, unlike SF we will continue to allow you to!:)

Saad will post the details...I can't speak for him, but he can speak for me in this manner.

Saad will post the details...I can't speak for him, but he can speak for me in this manner.

Saad I'm sure Bottle is open to a slurpy machine vs Cash bet also.

Jason so your not betting is that correct? because you mentioned it first.

Yeah I would like to know who is betting who here.

Is it saad with bottle bet
or jason with bottle bet

I will take both bets, and jason u are the one that said we keep backing out are you backing out and letting saad bet with his money?

We've never crossed center line, and if your refering to Woon he didn't cross centerline in the manner your speaking. He touched the centerline and went over (yes he crossed and NHRA dq'ed the run) but as you see in the video he brought it back into his lane. He didn't cross over like what happened to Shep at the nopi race with the Z-car. Big differences there

Thanks

Nero, he spent the majority of the run on the yellow line, I was standing at the starting line, so get that cameras point of view. I never said you crossed the centerline, are you and woon related, you like to comprehend what you want instead of what is written....ask Brad that if he had crossed the centerline if he would stay in it..... Is that CLEAR enough for you to understand?:)

Yeah I would like to know who is betting who here.

Is it saad with bottle bet
or jason with bottle bet

I will take both bets, and jason u are the one that said we keep backing out are you backing out and letting saad bet with his money?

No Bottle, I am not backing out..don't worry about me. Saad wants to put the details down...that's fine with me...is it o.k. with you? Or do you want to ask your mommy when you get home tonight???:):):):)

No Bottle, I am not backing out..don't worry about me. Saad wants to put the details down...that's fine with me...is it o.k. with you? Or do you want to ask your mommy when you get home tonight???:):):):)


I am worrying about you, because you always say we back out of the bet, you are not laying down anymoney here so far.

About my mom she is smart enough to bet on woon so I might get an extra grand from her to bet she likes the odds she is getting.

Saad I'm sure Bottle is open to a slurpy machine vs Cash bet also.

Jason so your not betting is that correct? because you mentioned it first.

The bet is for the Vegas Supra meet. It will be one race between Ryan and I and one race between Ryan and Jason. Each race will be for $1000. Any fouls and you lose, crossing center- touching center-red light-ect.

What I need from you is a commitment from Ryan to race and the name of the person that will your be proxy in Las Vegas. You must have the cash at the track.

Questions?

I am worrying about you, because you always say we back out of the bet, you are not laying down anymoney here so far.

About my mom she is smart enough to bet on woon so I might get an extra grand from her to bet she likes the odds she is getting.


Why would you have to worry about me when you both know everytime we bet you don't take it...then when you would have won (which has been most of the time) you want to collect. I have NEVER backed out of a bet with you yet.

As for your mom, I don't really think she is that smart....otherwise she would have given you two the boot long ago!:):):)

As for money Saad will arrange all that....to me it's more of the braggin rights...not the money!:)

what if you dont show or dont make the round or ryan does not make the round.

standard nhra rules apply?

what if you dont show or dont make the round or ryan does not make the round.

standard nhra rules apply?

I don't think NHRA has rules on betting! We aren't racing for points.

what if you dont show or dont make the round or ryan does not make the round.

standard nhra rules apply?

You have to line up for there to be a race. When Ryan blows that Titan engine up, it will be enough for me to announce it:)

I want it to be if one person does not show up it is a loss i dont.

So if ryan can not make it he looses, if saad or jason cant bring the car to the line you loose.

As for nhra rules i meant bascailly if someone cross center line, rolls through the beems, redlights, etc...

I want it to be if one person does not show up it is a loss i dont.

So if ryan can not make it he looses, if saad or jason cant bring the car to the line you loose.

As for nhra rules i meant bascailly if someone cross center line, rolls through the beems, redlights, etc...

We are betting on who will win a race. Ofcourse it is on the actual race, not on an e.t. Is there any other kind of drag race????

You have to line up for there to be a race. When Ryan blows that Titan engine up, it will be enough for me to announce it:)

First of all I would think if Ryan blows a motor it wouldn't be a big deal as everyone is pushing the envelope. Saying negative things on that isn't so sportsmanlike or professional. I've never publicly hammered you about breaking parts.

Ohh and Jason isn't anyone to talk about reliability and neither are you Saad.

PS: my door's always open to help anyone who needs it :)

First of all I would think if Ryan blows a motor it wouldn't be a big deal as everyone is pushing the envelope. Saying negative things on that isn't so sportsmanlike or professional. I've never publicly hammered you about breaking parts.

Ohh and Jason isn't anyone to talk about reliability and neither are you Saad.

PS: my door's always open to help anyone who needs it :)

Why do you say I can't talk about relibility??? Remember, I am the only one to ever drive a Supra with a 100% stock engine to a race 5 hours away (with the a/c on) win an event while liscensing for my 4b liscense and drive it back!:):)

Why don't the four of you homos get a room!!..... Although you might have to bring Mommy Deliwala with you!!

I think this thread is funny! I lost track of what you guys are bitching about.

If its a matter of who's cars better or faster or who can go straighter, who can drift, who can break axles, who is running a CDI, who lives with their mom... ect

Just shut up and race. If you win, for whatever reason then you win. Plain and simple. If you loose, well you/car isnt good enough to be talking all this pointless BS... but ill put money down on whatever race there is....

Jon Pratkanis

I think this thread is funny! I lost track of what you guys are bitching about.

If its a matter of who's cars better or faster or who can go straighter, who can drift, who can break axles, who is running a CDI, who lives with their mom... ect



LOL :eusa_wall :bonk:

I think this thread is funny! I lost track of what you guys are bitching about.

If its a matter of who's cars better or faster or who can go straighter, who can drift, who can break axles, who is running a CDI, who lives with their mom... ect

Just shut up and race. If you win, for whatever reason then you win. Plain and simple. If you loose, well you/car isnt good enough to be talking all this pointless BS... but ill put money down on whatever race there is....

Jon Pratkanis

Jon, you are missing the point completely! The point is...this is suppose to be fun....NEVER take anything serious on the internet!:):)

Jon, you are missing the point completely! The point is...this is suppose to be fun....NEVER take anything serious on the internet!:):)

Jason, if this is for fun. Wow you guys are harsh and i know the people on certain sides of this and i dont think they are taking it so lightly.

Oh yeah, and remember that Rado/MTV that we did awhile ago?? I was kinda pissed that, the footage never made it! Damn MTV. :)

Jason, if this is for fun. Wow you guys are harsh and i know the people on certain sides of this and i dont think they are taking it so lightly.

Oh yeah, and remember that Rado/MTV that we did awhile ago?? I was kinda pissed that, the footage never made it! Damn MTV. :)

Yeah, I know, some people can't laugh at themselves when they make mistakes!

THe MTV deal sucked....the car should definately have been included! See you in Vegas!

We are betting on who will win a race. Ofcourse it is on the actual race, not on an e.t. Is there any other kind of drag race????


So are you 100% set on this as the rule?

Saad I'm sure Bottle is open to a slurpy machine vs Cash bet also.

Jason so your not betting is that correct? because you mentioned it first.

Lets analyze this statement a little. I have 12 gas stations as of this date. Each one of those stations has a "slurpy machine". Each machine costs about 12k. That means that I have about $144,000 in "slurpy machines". That is almost as much as BOTH of your race cars, think about it:)

Would you like to wager your two race cars against my slurpy machines?

So we have the Deliwala home vs Saad slurpy machines?

$12,000 for a slurpy machine!! damn that must take alittle while for those .99 slurpies to break even.... but they are good YUM

It does take a lot of Slurpys to pay back the machine. But the owner gets them for free:)

It does take a lot of Slurpys to pay back the machine. But the owner gets them for free:)

That would make it worth it to me!! :snork_lac Only if I could use it as a chaser after eating one of those jerky toothpicks you call a hotdog spinning on those rollers :eusa_sick

Chris

Each one of those stations has a "slurpy machine".


Im pissed...... you have never offered me a slurpy..... I'm going back to Ryan's camp..... he feeds me plenty of Chop Suey!

I dont know any of you or your cars........but i do like the trash smackin........Vegas seems like the place.... 1,000.00 seems to be the purse.......old school drag style seems to be the race.....Ryan VS Saad. Ryan VS Jason. This lineup may pose another question, does Ryan have to run back to back? I think everything should be posted here as well. It would be cool to see what the outcome is...........
Lets poll the crowd.........

WHO WILL WIN THE SUPRA FORUMS RACE?

I dont know any of you or your cars........but i do like the trash smackin........Vegas seems like the place.... 1,000.00 seems to be the purse.......old school drag style seems to be the race.....Ryan VS Saad. Ryan VS Jason. This lineup may pose another question, does Ryan have to run back to back? I think everything should be posted here as well. It would be cool to see what the outcome is...........
Lets poll the crowd.........

WHO WILL WIN THE SUPRA FORUMS RACE?

I would never ask someone to run back to back races. We would just get it done in the course of the night or if the two cars had to race each other in one of the challenges.

Honorable answer Saad...... :respekt:

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Where's Ryan Woon? I'm surprised we haven't heard his side directly...

:offtopic:


game on.

:laughabov

Lets get all the details on the bet done.

If someone does not show up to a round then they loose the bet?

Lets get this taken care of first before going over the rest of the info.

If someone does not show up to a round then they loose the bet?

I think that's only fair

Lets get all the details on the bet done.

If someone does not show up to a round then they loose the bet?

Lets get this taken care of first before going over the rest of the info.

I already covered this. It is a bet at the starting line in Vegas. What you need to do is tell me who your proxy will be and give me a commitment from Lyan, uh I mean Ryan:)

i gotta say its good to lift but lifting does have its draw backs in some cases. If you don't lift and cross the line and able to keep control you're skilled but you sure the hell wont be able to do that all the time.
Last year a low 10 second stang 5.0 crossed the line lifted and as soon as that thing got a bite of road it shot into a wall. Thank god the driver got out of it with bruises but I have seen a few bad lifts in my time to say this is a rediculous thing to argue over.

so many variables come into play, but usually if you crash when you lift, the way i think it happens, is the people have there wheels pointed in the wrong direction to counter steer when they lift, then the weight transfer goes to the front wheels and upsets the car, causes it to go out of control

you are correct. But in some cases when the front end is somewhat off the ground it doesnt help things either.. too many variables as you stated

I already covered this. It is a bet at the starting line in Vegas. What you need to do is tell me who your proxy will be and give me a commitment from Lyan, uh I mean Ryan:)


So if you dont show what happens with the bet money?

So if you dont show what happens with the bet money?

Same thing that happens if Ryan doesn't show up.....

Seems fair to me... if you don't show you forfeit.

So if you dont show what happens with the bet money?

Shove it up your ass for all I care:) Lets see here, I have been to every Vegas Supra meet since it was started and no one has won as many as I. Its a good bet that I will be there. But as I stated, the bet is at the starting line in Vegas, this way there are no misunderstandings. Now give me your proxy and a commitment from Lyan or just admit that you have no intention of betting.

Shove it up your ass for all I care


Such poetic justice in that statement.....

so many variables come into play, but usually if you crash when you lift, the way i think it happens, is the people have there wheels pointed in the wrong direction to counter steer when they lift, then the weight transfer goes to the front wheels and upsets the car, causes it to go out of control

The reason people crash is because they lose control. How do you lose control? Either....A....it happens so fast that you don't have time to react properly, or B you don't know how to react properly. Those are the only two reasons. Quite simply in Ryans case.....he was A....really lucky, or B really stupid..... this ofcourse depends on your point of view. Where NHRA called it Stupid, along with several other experienced racers. Other less experienced racers called it lucky. There are also those who know absolutely nothing about drag racing that called it skilled....go figure. :aiwebs_02

There are also those who know absolutely nothing about drag racing that called it skilled....go figure. :aiwebs_02


Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills. You know, like nunchuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills, drag racing drifting skills.....

Nero will have my money. Will Saad be fronting Jason the money?

Nero will have my money. Will Saad be fronting Jason the money?

That's funny......you think that since Nero needs to front you, that Saad would need to front me. Well.....sorry to dissapoint you. Just so I have this straight, Nero WILL be in vegas with the money....not at NOPI?

Nero will not be fronting me, I will not be at this event thus I will be giving it to Nero.

Ohhh I forgot about the nopi event. I will have someone there with the money.

Now will you show up that is the question, and if you do show up will you show up with a car that will make it to the starting line.

Nero will have my money.


Now is it your money... or Nero's .... or Mommy's? All the same right.... kinda like your house :)

It is my personal money.

Now we wait for the excuses to come.

It is my personal money.

Now we wait for the excuses to come.

So who...exactly....will have the money, and have you received confirmation from Moon yet?

This should be good. Does anyone know what the current standings are in the Ryan vs. Saad series?

This should be good. Does anyone know what the current standings are in the Ryan vs. Saad series?


I think you can find the answer here:


http://www.talkaboutbasketball.com/group/rec.sport.basketball.pro/messages/433894.html

I think you can find the answer here:


http://www.talkaboutbasketball.com/group/rec.sport.basketball.pro/messages/433894.html


I searched, and there were many like it, but this particular rivalry wasn't posted. Maybe this site doesn't include drag racing???..oh well. Anyone know the answer?

I will put up 50 bones on Woon. Saad and/or Jason, is this enough, or do you only want those willing to toss a c-note at you? :pimp3:
LMK
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It is my personal money.

Now we wait for the excuses to come.

Excuses? Dude are we going to bet or not? I have asked you several times to get confirmation from Lyan and tell me who will be your proxy and you have ignored me. I'm still waiting.

I will be there ready to race. As always

There you have it saad, if i am not there, I will fedex the money to Ryan to hold it for me.

Since the bet is on, when will the race be held?

Excuses? Dude are we going to bet or not? I have asked you several times to get confirmation from Lyan and tell me who will be your proxy and you have ignored me. I'm still waiting.

Are you ignoring me? :eusa_hand

Are you ignoring me? :eusa_hand

How much attention do you want for 50 bucks. Wager that in the stands with the rest of the spectators and continue swinging from Lyans mini nuts:)

Since the bet is on, when will the race be held?

What we will do is make a confirmation on the bet in the staging lanes on the first or best oppertunity for the two cars to line up together. For the record, this is a Bottle and Saad bet and Lyan(Ryan)Woon will be Bottle's proxy. The wager is $1000 on Lyan vs Saad and $1000 on Jason vs Lyan. Normal fouls apply, red light or crossing center and slamming into the wall, you lose :moon:

I will expect Lyan to have the money with him and I will ask to see it before we run. Tell him to leave his girlfriend in the trailor when he is talking to me, since he likes to hide behind her. :cry:

Don't mean to throw a curve in the conversation here but is there anything to the rumor that Marko, from the far eastern US (...haha...) might show up in Vegas with his 1520RWHP'd Supra (or will it still be running by then?). Does anybody know anything about that??? (I realize that doesn't have anything to do with 6speed drags)

Come on now we all know Marko if he comes will talk a lot of trash and have nothing to back it up his mouth.

Come on now we all know Marko if he comes will talk a lot of trash and have nothing to back it up his mouth.

My record of 5 wins and one loss over the Titan Supra speaks for itself. I don't even have to talk trash. I'm glad you guys finally won one. I was starting to feel bad for the crew. I might just hand you guys another heartbreaker before I finally sell my car. Too bad you're not comin to Vegas.

All this trash talking has got me motivated to come down. I'm having Amber book tickets for Josh and I today. Gotta make sure I'm there to see this go down. :)

Bottle.... I'm sure you can fly down as well. Or do you not feel safe without Nero there holding your hand?

Chris.

I am not sure if it is in the budget to fly me out there yet.

I am not sure if it is in the budget to fly me out there yet.

Well, I hope you can make it. Josh and I are playing in the Supra Owner poker tournament Thursday night at the Luxor and we'd love to take your money. :)

Chris.

Sweet poker still on, Ill join you guys thursday nite, any idea what the turn out will be yet?

Sweet poker still on, Ill join you guys thursday nite, any idea what the turn out will be yet?

I just started a new thread on that. You can post about it here.

http://www.thesupraforums.com/showthread.php?t=307

Well, I hope you can make it. Josh and I are playing in the Supra Owner poker tournament Thursday night at the Luxor and we'd love to take your money. :)

Chris.


If I come out I will play with ya.

How much attention do you want for 50 bucks. Wager that in the stands with the rest of the spectators and continue swinging from Lyans mini nuts:)



WOW, I guess you are jonesing for someone to beef with, huh? Since Ryan is not posting in here you feel I am next in line to attack? Swinging by his or anyone's nuts, hardly. :bs: I have watched you post since I joined www.supraforums.com in March of 2004 and just bit my lip and remained silent since I am a reserved person when it comes to diarrhea of the mouth. (Wait, do you remember that forum? I DO believe you were banned for life, correct? Why was that?)


Why won't you take my $50 bet? I will say this...

Line up with me at SILV. We will do this bracket style. My personal best is 12.6 and the car's best is 12.1. I do expect you to accept at least 1 of my 2 bets I am offering you.

LMK -jt

WOW, I guess you are jonesing for someone to beef with, huh? Since Ryan is not posting in here you feel I am next in line to attack? Swinging by his or anyone's nuts, hardly. :bs: I have watched you post since I joined www.supraforums.com in March of 2004 and just bit my lip and remained silent since I am a reserved person when it comes to diarrhea of the mouth. (Wait, do you remember that forum? I DO believe you were banned for life, correct? Why was that?)


Why won't you take my $50 bet? I will say this...

Line up with me at SILV. We will do this bracket style. My personal best is 12.6 and the car's best is 12.1. I do expect you to accept at least 1 of my 2 bets I am offering you.

LMK -jt

So let me understand this, your challenging me to a bracket race? Hahahahahaha, ya, thats what I built my car for, bracket racing. I think that you may want to post that challenge on the Honda board:) Maybe if you pull your interior out and duct tape your hood you can improve on that 12.6:) Have a good time in Vegas, you crack me up, I'm laughing my ass off here...

:rock_band I cant belive you guys are still bitching about this. This thread sucks. How bout everyone show up with a extra 1000 bucks. And IF they ever race, then put it on the line THEN. God knows, that no one will race anyone, excuses will arise adn people will pussy out. Its how it always is.

And if someone does race, there will be some more bitching about why that person didnt actually win and no money will be transfered. But well see, Vegas is coming up and it will all unfold...

So let me understand this, your challenging me to a bracket race? Hahahahahaha, ya, thats what I built my car for, bracket racing.
you crack me up, I'm laughing my ass off here...



I'm dead serious.

I'm dead serious.

That's why he was laughing.

If you consider all the things that I blow up and go through during my passes, a $50 payout isn't even worth a pass. I go through a set of tires which have to be shipped, mounted and balanced every 10 passes, I change the oil and filter after every 2 days at the track, change the tranny fluid every 4 days at the track, race fuel slowly kills fuel pumps which have to be replaced periodically, last time at the track I went through three fuel pumps and blew out 2nd gear in the tranny. You have the occasional motor blow up, the occasional wheel come off, the occasional transmission failure. These really add up over time and make every pass very expensive.

When I was BPU, I would get 50 passes out of a clutch and run the crap out of the car and never replace anything. In my estimation, a 10 second car costs roughly 4 times what an 11 second car does to run, and a 9 second car is roughly 3 times what a 10 second car does to run and I don't even know what it would cost to run an 8 second car.

Put up $500 and he still might not even consider it. It's all about bragging rights and that's what the smack talk is all about.

Chris.

If you consider all the things that I blow up and go through during my passes, a $50 payout isn't even worth a pass...

Chris.

Well said.. Normally I wouldnt chime in on a thread like this. I would just sit back and enjoy it. But I have nothing but :respekt: for guys running 9's and 8's in thier Supes.. I see the dedication and money that goes into these cars so I dont get offended or take sides on this stuff.. These guys have some fast cars and have a lot invested into them.. Making petty little bets trying to look like a baller is just pointless. If I ever find myself in a street Supra pushing the 8 sec barrier, I think I would enjoy these E-Beef's as well.. Its motivation! Shit, even my weaksauce MK3 averages $20-$25 per pass. :snork_lac

all i can say about vegas is this. good luck to all the guys who are competing. maybe next year i can save up to fly out to witness the event. and since i live in houston..i can only hope that a lot of you guys come out to tx2k6 as well. :D

Yes, it was reckless.

i like this forum. arguing is awesome:lol:

Jason Siebels says he can run an 8.70 et, I want to see if he can if so it will be hard for me to win my 1000 dollars unless Woon has something up his sleeve.

Jason Siebels says he can run an 8.70 et, I want to see if he can if so it will be hard for me to win my 1000 dollars unless Woon has something up his sleeve.

So are you coming to Vegas? Oh yea, not in your budget. So how isn't it in your budget if you're willing to waste $1000?

Chris.

I will not be in vegas because of the nopi race and I have a lot of meetings going on at this race as well.

I will not be in vegas because of the nopi race and I have a lot of meetings going on at this race as well.

Too bad you guys aren't going to be there, it won't be the same without you. I'll collect my winnings in Pamona! ;)

yeah the vegas organizers dont schedule it around the race season.

We are in the in the points lead so there is no way we can make it.

If the organizers would do it around the race schedule we would be there.

This is all we ever get from titan... Excuses..

lol j\k guys.

yeah the vegas organizers dont schedule it around the race season.

We are in the in the points lead so there is no way we can make it.

If the organizers would do it around the race schedule we would be there.

I tried my best to get Keith to change it, with no luck! Obviously for you guys the Nopi stuff would take priority!

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