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: MKIII Turbo Staged Modification Guide


ma71supraturbo
09-17-2005, 08:22 PM
There are many possible modification orders, but this staged list is the system I recommend for increasing your 7m-gte's power while maintaining good reliability. Please do not begin modifying unless your car is well maintained and running with no problems (i.e. proper head gasket, no overheating issues, good vacuum, good oil pressure, no misses, etc). Additionally please continue to keep up on your car's maintainence. A vacume leak at the accoridan hose, for example, is not a particularly dangerous condition for a stock mk3. But if your car is tuned for optimum power, you have taken away the extra safety of the over-rich factory tune and you could end up doing severe damage by running lean.

The following horsepower figures are estimated at the crank (bhp) and are based on a perfectly running mk3. For reference, a stock MK3 makes 230bhp (232bhp 89+) @ 6.8psi. I chose to list crank HP estimates for a few reasons. Automatic and manual cars make the same power at the engine, but manuals put more of that power to the ground (12-15% M/T drivetrain loss verses ~18-20% A/T). Additionally, modifications like light-weight flywheels and driveshafts will increase the rear wheel horsepower without actually increasing the power at the crank. And finally, because manufacturers list crank horsepower figures so this allows more of a direct comparison with newer cars. That said, it is important to realize that your car may make more or less power depending on a number of factors, so please take these and all horsepower figures with a grain of salt.


Stage List A, MKIII Supra Turbo:
For those planning on staying with the CT26 turbo (under 400bhp)


Stage 1:
Intake, 235bhp @ 7psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Blitz/Intake_Systems_SUS_POWER_Air_Filter_Kit_(Stainless _Mesh_Filter).jpg The first thing to do in increasing performance is to make sure the engine can flow plenty of air. The simplest way to help an engine breathe better is by installing an aftermarket intake. There are many different brands out there, but Apexi performed the best in this test (http://mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/2/). For hints on installing a full intake kit, please see this tech tip (http://www.supras.com/sogidb/index.php?jumpto=techcenter&tech_jumpto=display_techtip&id=9).


Stage 2:
Cat-back, 250bhp @ ~8psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Tanabe/Exhaust_Systems_Super_Medallion_Hyper_Spec.jpg Continuing with the theme of better breathing, the next step is to install a cat-back exhaust. There are even more brands and styles of exhausts than intakes, so take your time and find one which best fits your needs for flow, looks, and sound. If you live in an area where corrosion is a problem, you probably will not want to settle for anything less than a full stainless system. You will want an exhaust that is at least 3 inches, but with turbo cars bigger is better!


Stage 3:
Downpipe/elbow/primary cat or test pipe, 280bhp @ ~9psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/BIC/Downpipes_Divorced.jpg If you still want more power, then its time to replace the restrictive stock downpipe, turbo elbow, and secondary catalytic converter. You will want to look for a downpipe that integrates the turbo elbow, otherwise you will end up with a 3" downpipe bolted to a 2.25-2.5" turbo elbow... BIC and Titan both make 3" turbo-back downpipes, and you can occasionally find a Defcon downpipe in the for sale section. The hot set-up now is to use the BIC "divorced" downpipe because it separates the wastegate's exhaust flow from the turbine's exhaust flow. This decreases turbulence (increasing power). Dyno tests show about a 20hp gain in using a divorced downpipe (over a standard BIC dp!). Some have noticed an exhaust leak sound at idle when running the dump tube vented to the atmosphere, so you can also opt for the re-routed version. The downside to the divorced set-up is that the divider plate is located just right for a CT26 turbo so it will not work with the bolt-on turbo upgrades -- so plan accordingly. Next in line is the secondary catalytic converter. Either use a high-flow cat (Random Tech and Titan both make bolt-on cats) or a test pipe (from Cooleeze, Titan, Horsepowerfreaks, or BIC).


Stage 3.5:
Gauges
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Autometer/Boost_Gauges_Nexus.jpg While gauges do not increase power, they are important especially if you want to continue modifying. At this point, you're probably already boosting 9 psi, which exceeds the stock boost gauge. Installing a new one will allow you to keep tabs on your boost (and vacume). Often you will be able to spot vacume leaks just by seeing where you car idles as they generally start small... It's also a good idea to get a wideband gauge so you can accurately monitor your car's air fuel ratio. The cheap autometer gauges that read from the stock O2 sensor are worthless, so save your money for something accurate like the FJO, AEM, or PLX. Next on the list is an EGT gauge. This will monitor your exhaust gas temperature, and can be used to help you tune in conjunction with the wideband. Other good gauges to consider are water temperature, oil temperature, and and oil pressure.


Stage 4:
Boost controller, 300bhp @ just under fuel cut
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Greddy/Boost_Controllers_Profec_B_Spec_II.jpg Now that your engine can breathe freely and you can monitor what it's doing, it is time to turn up the boost with a boost controller. There are inexpensive manual boost controllers out there, but I have found it to be a pain to get out and adjust them every time the weather changes (or if you find yourself at a stoplight next to a rumbling domestic). The solution is an electronic boost controller which can not only be adjusted from inside the car, but some can also learn to better control your wastegate allowing the turbo to spool much faster.


Stage 5:
Intercooler and hardpipes, 320bhp @ just under fuel cut
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/HorsepowerFreaks/Intercooler_Kits.jpg If you still want more power, you will want to replace your stock intercooler and the restrictive stock intercooler piping. Compressing air (in the turbo) creates heat which can lead to detonation. Since you want to turn up the boost even more, you'll need an intercooler that can not only flow better but also do a better job of keeping the air cool. At this point it also is a good idea to replace your factory bypass valve to prevent compressor surge.


Stage 6:
Fuel pump, injectors, and Lexus AFM -- 350bhp @ 16psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Walbro/Fuel_Pumps_High_Flow_(Pump_and_Install_Kit_Combo). jpghttp://www.rceng.com/injectors1.gifhttp://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/LIPP/Air-Fuel_Meters_Lexus_AFM_replica.jpgWhen you try to boost too high, your ECU will cut fuel momentarily to prevent engine damage. Now that you want to exceed that limit, it is time to upgrade your fuel system. While it is possible to boost a little over fuel cut on the stock fuel system, it is not recommended -- especially if you have your sights set significantly higher. The first step to upgrading your fuel system is to then replace the fuel pump with one that can move more fuel. Walbro and the stock MKIV tt pump are common choices. Next is to replace the injectors. The stock 440's can flow this amount, but 550 injectors happen to match the increased flow of a Lexus AFM. The Lexus AFM is bigger than the stock Toyota AFM and tricks the engine into thinking it is getting less air than it actually is. The larger injectors offset the extra air and waalaa, you can now safely boost past fuel-cut! Details on this upgrade can be found here. (http://www.supras.com/~riemer/lexusriemer/lexusnotes.html) LIPP also makes a "replica" Lexus AFM housing that allows you to use your stock electronics and save some money and time.


Stage 7:
Fuel tuning device and dyno tuning, 400bhp @ 17psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Apexi/Fuel_Computers_AFC-Select_for_Euro_Cars.jpg At this point, the car could benefit from some fine-tuning. Chances are you will be running rich, so an air/fuel controller can lean out the mixture and help further raise fuel cut. There are many options out there, so do a little research and decide on the best unit for your goals. If you must have the best, a standalone is the way to go but it is much more expensive, and is more difficult to tune (chances are you will have to have a professional tune it).

ma71supraturbo
09-17-2005, 08:51 PM
Stage List B, MKIII Supra Turbo:
For those planning on staying with the stock exhaust manifold (under 600bhp)


Stage 1:
Intake, 235bhp @ 7psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Blitz/Intake_Systems_SUS_POWER_Air_Filter_Kit_(Stainless _Mesh_Filter).jpg The first thing to do in increasing performance is to make sure the engine can flow plenty of air. The simplest way to help an engine breathe better is by installing an aftermarket intake. There are many different brands out there, but Apexi performed the best in this test (http://mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/2/). For hints on installing a full intake kit, please see this tech tip (http://www.supras.com/sogidb/index.php?jumpto=techcenter&tech_jumpto=display_techtip&id=9).


Stage 2:
Cat-back, 250bhp @ ~8psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Tanabe/Exhaust_Systems_Super_Medallion_Hyper_Spec.jpg Continuing with the theme of better breathing, the next step is to install a cat-back exhaust. There are even more brands and styles of exhausts than intakes, so take your time and find one which best fits your needs for flow, looks, and sound. If you live in an area where corrosion is a problem, you probably will not want to settle for anything less than a full stainless system. You will want an exhaust that is at least 3 inches, but with turbo cars bigger is better!


Stage 3:
Downpipe/elbow/primary cat or test pipe, 280bhp @ ~9psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/BIC/Downpipes_Divorced.jpg Like the "A" list upgrade, the next stop is to replace the restrictive stock downpipe, turbo elbow, and secondary catalytic converter. You will want to look for a downpipe that integrates the turbo elbow, otherwise you will end up with a 3" downpipe bolted to a 2.25-2.5" turbo elbow... BIC and Titan both make 3" turbo-back downpipes, and you can occasionally find a Defcon downpipe in the for sale section. Unfortunately, the best downpipe for the CT26 (the BIC DDP) will not work with the bolt-on turbos you will need on stage 8. So you can either buy a Titan or Stand BIC downpipe, or you can buy the SP61GT BIC divorced downpipe and buy the SP61GT now... Don't forget to replace the secondary catalytic converter. Either use a high-flow cat (Random Tech and Titan both make bolt-on cats) or a test pipe (from Cooleeze, Titan, Horsepowerfreaks, or BIC).


Stage 3.5:
Gauges
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Autometer/Boost_Gauges_Nexus.jpg While gauges do not increase power, they are important especially if you want to continue modifying. At this point, you're probably already boosting 9 psi, which exceeds the stock boost gauge. Installing a new one will allow you to keep tabs on your boost (and vacume). Often you will be able to spot vacume leaks just by seeing where you car idles as they generally start small... It's also a good idea to get a wideband gauge so you can accurately monitor your car's air fuel ratio. The cheap autometer gauges that read from the stock O2 sensor are worthless, so save your money for something accurate like the FJO, AEM, or PLX. Next on the list is an EGT gauge. This will monitor your exhaust gas temperature, and can be used to help you tune in conjunction with the wideband. Other good gauges to consider are water temperature, oil temperature, and and oil pressure.


Stage 4:
Boost controller, 300bhp @ just under fuel cut
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Greddy/Boost_Controllers_Profec_B_Spec_II.jpg Now that your engine can breathe freely and you can monitor what it's doing, it is time to turn up the boost with a boost controller. There are inexpensive manual boost controllers out there, but I have found it to be a pain to get out and adjust them every time the weather changes (or if you find yourself at a stoplight next to a rumbling domestic). The solution is an electronic boost controller which can not only be adjusted from inside the car, but some can also learn to better control your wastegate allowing the turbo to spool much faster.


Stage 5:
Intercooler and hardpipes, 320bhp @ just under fuel cut
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/HorsepowerFreaks/Intercooler_Kits.jpg Before increasing the boost any more, you will want to replace your stock intercooler and the restrictive stock intercooler piping. Compressing air (in the turbo) creates heat which can lead to detonation. At this point it also is a good idea to replace your factory bypass valve to prevent compressor surge.


Stage 6:
Fuel pump, injectors, and Lexus AFM -- 350bhp @ 16psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Walbro/Fuel_Pumps_High_Flow_(Pump_and_Install_Kit_Combo). jpghttp://www.rceng.com/injectors1.gifhttp://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/LIPP/Air-Fuel_Meters_Lexus_AFM_replica.jpgWhen you try to boost too high, your ECU will cut fuel momentarily to prevent engine damage. Now that you want to exceed that limit, it is time to upgrade your fuel system. While it is possible to boost a little over fuel cut on the stock fuel system, it is not recommended -- especially if you have your sights set significantly higher. The first step to upgrading your fuel system is to then replace the fuel pump with one that can move more fuel. Walbro and the stock MKIV tt pump are common choices. Next is to replace the injectors. The stock 440's can flow this amount, but 550 injectors happen to match the increased flow of a Lexus AFM. The Lexus AFM is bigger than the stock Toyota AFM and tricks the engine into thinking it is getting less air than it actually is. The larger injectors offset the extra air and waalaa, you can now safely boost past fuel-cut! Details on this upgrade can be found here. (http://www.supras.com/~riemer/lexusriemer/lexusnotes.html) LIPP also makes a "replica" Lexus AFM housing that allows you to use your stock electronics and save some money and time.


Stage 7:
Bolt-on turbo upgrade, 400bhp @ 16psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/LIPP/Turbo_Kits_MK3_Bolt-on.jpg
Since you're planning on jumping to a larger turbo, you can save the tuning for later (you will just have to retune otherwise). There are two main line-ups -- the SP MK3 Bolt-ons and the LIPP MK3 Bolt-ons. They are quite comparable, as both come with many sizes and options. The most common choice is the SP61GT (which BIC makes the divorced downpipe for). It is a much more efficient turbo than the CT26 and will hold up to higher boost (unlike the CT26 upgrades). LIPP turbos are also a fine choice and can also be purchased with specialized downpipes.


Stage 8:
Fuel tuning device and dyno tuning, 600bhp @ 21psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Apexi/Fuel_Computers_AFC-Select_for_Euro_Cars.jpg At this point, the car could benefit from some fine-tuning. Chances are you will be running rich, so an air/fuel controller can lean out the mixture and help further raise fuel cut. It will now also be safe to crank up the boost even higher...

ma71supraturbo
09-17-2005, 09:14 PM
Stage List C, MKIII Supra Turbo:
For those planning on going over 600hp (Built bottom end highly recommended)


Stage 1:
Cat-back, 250bhp @ ~8psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/HorsepowerFreaks/Exhaust_Systems_Goliath.jpg Because you will be buying a larger turbo there is no reason to purchase an intake designed to bolt onto the stock or Lexus Air flow meter. Therefore the first step is to purchase a good 3.5" or bigger cat-back as well as a larger test pipe. You will want one of these bigger cat-backs because you will be flowing lots of air at 600+hp!


Stage 2:
Intercooler and hardpipes, 270bhp @ 9psi
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/HorsepowerFreaks/Intercooler_Kits.jpg Before increasing the boost any more, you will want to replace your stock intercooler and the restrictive stock intercooler piping. Compressing air (in the turbo) creates heat which can lead to detonation. At this point it also is a good idea to replace your factory bypass valve to prevent compressor surge.



Stage 2.5:
Gauges
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Autometer/Boost_Gauges_Nexus.jpg While gauges do not increase power, they will play a vital roll as your quest for big power continues. A new boost gauge will allow you to keep tabs on your boost (and vacume) as your run more and more pressure. Often you will be able to spot vacume leaks just by seeing where you car idles as they generally start small... It's also a good idea to get a wideband gauge so you can accurately monitor your car's air fuel ratio. The cheap autometer gauges that read from the stock O2 sensor are worthless, so save your money for something accurate like the FJO, AEM, or PLX. Next on the list is an EGT gauge. This will monitor your exhaust gas temperature, and can be used to help you tune in conjunction with the wideband. Other good gauges to consider are water temperature, oil temperature, and and oil pressure.


Stage 3:
Fuel pump and injectors
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Walbro/Fuel_Pumps_High_Flow_(Pump_and_Install_Kit_Combo). jpghttp://www.rceng.com/injectors1.gif
Since you will be tripling the output of the original 7M-GTE, you will need to beef up the fuel system. Choose injectors and fuel pump(s) suited to your ultimate power goals, but keep in mind your car will probably be running rather poorly at this stage due to an over-rich condition.


Stage 4:
Big turbo upgrade
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/HorsepowerFreaks/Turbo_Kits_7MGTE_-_Stage_1_(550-600rwhp).jpg
The larger turbo upgrades will come with a high-flow manifold, their own downpipe, and usually their own intake pipe. The breathing stages are now done, but you probably won't be able to push the car hard at this point as you will be hitting fuel cut without even increasing the boost! Because of this, I recommend that you purchase stages 4 and 5 together... Sound Performance, Greddy, and Horsepowerfreaks make the most common big turbo kits for the MK3.


Stage 5:
Standalone Engine Management and tuning, 650+bhp
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/HorsepowerFreaks/Engine_Management_Stand_Alone_EMS_Complete_MK3_Sup ra_Package.jpg
Because of your high-output goals, you wont want to mess around with a myriad of piggyback systems. Instead, you should get a full standalone which will allow you to not only control fuel (like a piggyback) -- but also timing. You will not need a separate boost controller as the good standalones will also be able to control boost. Plus it can get rid of the air flow meter altogether and allow you to run a higher-flowing MAP-based system. The AEM EMS is the most popular choice as it will plug into the factory wiring harness while still allowing you lots of room to upgrade sensors as you go. How much power you make will be determined by how aggressively you tune and what size turbo you picked.


Stage 6:
Headwork and Cams, 700+bhp
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/Images/Products/Crower/Cams_Imports.jpg
If you still want more power, you will want to upgrade the cams. Unfortunately, the 7m head uses a shim-over-bucket design of valve lash adjustment. This design is prone to throwing shims when using upgraded cams so the entire valvetrain will need to be upgraded along with the cams. Porting the head and installing oversized valves round out the headwork.


For more detailed looks at the set-ups used by high-power 7M-GTE guys, check out www.7mpower.com :)

dizahl
12-01-2005, 09:07 PM
any suggestions on the bottom end build up? or on pistons? bearings? if so how about some hpf part #'s?

ma71supraturbo
12-01-2005, 09:18 PM
The bottom end is good for 500hp, over that I'd get forged pistons (either wiseco, JE, or Ross). JE's do not come with rings btw... For bearings I've had good luck with Clevittes, and I've heard good things about Toga. The important thing is to make sure the crank is in good shape and you use the propper size bearings. Over 600rwhp and I would get rods. Eagles are a nice new option, with crower and Pauter available for the mega-builds. Be sure to get a new oil pump (Toyota or Toga) and of course a good MHG. I'll be putting together HPF bottom end, top end, and full engine packages to make it easy to order online. You will just need to specify what size overbore pistons and what size bearings...

SupraMan1784
12-02-2005, 12:12 PM
umm..this is for a 7m im assuming right?

ma71supraturbo
12-02-2005, 12:27 PM
Yup. You're on your own with the 1JZ or 1G-GTE

dizahl
12-04-2005, 11:07 PM
thanks jeff you guys r the best let us know when you got the package together i'll start pinching my pennies.

supramacist
04-12-2006, 10:09 PM
hey diz-all where ya been, or are you back yet. Just checking. Thanks gents.

harrier8@hotmail.es
12-18-2010, 09:01 PM
hey will that lexus AFM and that MKIV fuel pump fit my N/A 86.5 supra?